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[edit] Older discussion

There seems to be a controversy about whether or not Silverman made the jury duty joke on Conan. Not only did I view the episode in question in July 2001, but I point those in doubt to the following sites which quote the joke (including a transcript from [Politically Incorrect] where Silverman and several other guests quotes the exact same joke.) The links at the bottom of the page are from another episode that didn't ignite the same controversy, but used a different joke. Hopefully, this will put the issue to rest. There was some controversy when sara silverman made a races remark on jimmy kimmel live show when she was talking to guillermo a parking lot attendat for jimmy kimmel at the MTV music awards. Guillermo told silverman quote " you looke very pretty" and she responded to him "how would you know your a Mexican".

Links: Politically Incorrect Transcript A second PI transcript Another entertainment article that proves the joke IMDB news-last item --Uberchouette 15:58, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

In a Fresh Air interview November 9, 2005 she says that she said it on Conan and was asked to repeat it on Politicaly Incorrect among other places. She said she has been asked to repeat it so many times while explaining the controversy that she has dropped it from her act. --Gbleem 22:06, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

link to transcript —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.132.127.199 (talk • contribs)

[edit] Gender Questioned

Comedian not comedienne. i mean, c'mon. this is an english article and we ought to be using gender-neutral language whenever reasonably possible

In formal writing (ie encyclopedic articles) it is usually suggested to avoid gender specific terms. --Fallout boy 10:24, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

No it isn't. In politically correct writing, maybe. 80.254.147.52 16:38, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
actually, no, in formal writing. tomasz. 10:11, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
I see this mentioned often on Wikipedia, but I don't know where it's coming from. Is that like a style rule in Britain or Canada? I don't quite understand why even referencing gender in the name of a profession is offensive. I don't even find "male nurse" offensive even though the term is clearly pointing out that it's "weird" for a man to be a nurse. Anyway I've noticed in many Wikipedia articles the word "actress" is almost verboten, but there are awards for "Best Actress" and rarely have I heard complaints about that. Many actresses will certainly complain about all kinds of gender-issues. Also why does this "unisexing" always end up being just dumping the feminine form? Maybe both men and women should be called actress, comedienne, etc. Just raving, sorry. (I'm male so maybe I don't get it)--T. Anthony 10:56, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
Usually the male form the first term created and used, and then somewhere along a female version commes along.--Fallout boy 03:44, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
Regardless of what word is used to refer to her profession, the fact remains that many, many people desperately want to have sex with this woman.
Seriously. Is there a formal, encyclopedia-acceptable way to say she's a smoking hot babe? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.94.217.54 (talk) 02:50, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Use of "perfect"

The word "perfect" is used several times in this article, and I'm not sure it's the most NPOV word to use. I figured I'd let her fans change it or defend it before I changed it though. 68.97.36.194 07:37, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Sarah Silverman Video Clip

Folks,

I cannot post the video clip of Sarah Silverman below because my family owns evtv1.com and there is a :15 commercial in front of the clip. I have spoken with several long-time editors and they suggested I post the appropriate video clips on the article talk pages for the editors to see if they wish to post them in external links.

Eureka Lot has sought fit to revert many of my past edits and I actually understand and have stopped adding video clips completely. It is a bit of a conflict for me to add, but you who work on this article can jointly decide. I will say that a lot of people clicked on the Sarah Silverman video clip of roasting Hugh Hefner when it was up (about 250 people in a week)

All of these clips are 100% legal from a copyright status. You have to decide if the :15 commercial is too obtrusive or if the clips are worth the "pain" of the commercial. I leave it up to you. -Jaffer

Here is the link of Sarah Silverman roasting Hugh Hefner...we also have the clip Jesus is Magic, but that has NOT been cleared for syndication, so I never tried to include the clip when I was posting. -Jaffer

http://www.evtv1.com/index.asp-itemnum-957

[edit] Joe Franklin

I believe there needs to be a source cited regarding the statement made here that Joe Franklin is considering suing Silverman over her joke in The Aristocrats movie. It's clear (having just watched the movie) that he seemed to take it in good humor because of the nature of the film. Can someone provide a link or other verification that such a lawsuit is actually being considered? If so, it also needs to be added to the Joe Franklin article since the identical paragraph appears there. 23skidoo 06:34, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

I stand corrected. The problem was the citation for the New Yorker article was placed before the statement, therefore it didn't draw attention to itself. I moved it down and now it works. I'll make a similar change to the Franklin article. 23skidoo 06:38, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Personal Life-Reference to Breaking Up Kimmel's marriage?

She and Kimmel started up while he was still married. Why be coy about it?


i support that, i used to work in hollywood at a very popular restaurant, that jimmy kimmel and silverman used to frequent quite often, i recall a certain day when Mr. Kimmel's daughter had some choice words for Ms. Silverman, Which, due to the lack of noise at the time became public knowledge. The child definetly seemed coached, but she definetly seemed willing.

It was something along the lines of "why don;t you get your own man, he has a family a wife and he does'nt need you."


they left in quite a hurry, as the whole restaurant turned and realized exactly what had happened, it is indeed a truth, however as far as it being public domain to talk about, thats questionable, in the same note, this is an encyclopedia, and when writing a biographical piece, it is inate to the subject matter to not only paint a picture of this person's good qualitites and accomplishments, but the bad ones as well.


i think adding a refrence to the "controversial" beggining of this realationship is instrumental in painting character value and the quality of the person in question, therefore, i see it as a requirment, this is not the "only good news" encyclopedia....


we may as well strike Bill clinton's fillandering from all records,and any man or woman in the public eye who has done something "morally objectible" in my eye's if the both of them just came out and said, "yeah, i left my wife for her, or YEs, i took him from an unhappy situation" it would not be so controversial. it's the fact that they are both elusive and in turn the subject gains some what of a stigma.

When1eight=2zeros

Please read Wikipedia's policies on verifiability and original research. Thanks, —bbatsell ¿? 20:28, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Birthday

Was Sarah born on December 1/1970 or December 2/1970? Hotwine8 04:11, 11 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Jonathan Silverman

So is she honestly not related to him?? They look exactly alike! SkaTroma 11:10, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Apparently not.... maybe like 400 years ago they had a common ancestor, who knows... Mad Jack 06:52, 18 November 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Article makes no sense

Under career it says "Within three years"... within three years of what, being born? 82.69.28.55 15:29, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

  • Agreed, I just came here to see if anybody was discussing it. I will go back through the history to see if any relevant line was removed. It almost reads like there should be a sentence before it. --Bridgecross 14:17, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
    • Indeed in a very old version, the 'personal life' section was above the 'career' section, and that first line was a segue. There was a separate 'Early Life' section that made it all make sense. Somebody thought it was clumsy, removed the early life section and moved it all down. People should read before they edit. Will rewrite. --Bridgecross 14:33, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Removed these entries from the Personal Life section

Removed due to WP:LIVING

Sarah Silverman is a comedian who has joked about herself being raped (at least two well-circulated jokes about this - by a doctor, by a famous comedian ), about herself being extremely racist, about herself being slutty etc etc. We can't treat things she says from her standup routines as related to actual facts for the personal life section! It's inherently an unreliable source for that section. Not that these statements had any referenced sourcing anyway. Bwithh 17:19, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

i agree, as with my other comments, Silverman in person, is different from the "sarah" we see portrayed, i have had the luck to actually engage in a conversation with the woman, and she is nothing but down to earth and very humble. There is a very very very clear line between her on stage charisma and her real life mentality.we have to take into account this woman is coming off this way because she see's the amazing amount of comedy in a completly "no-qualms" woman. She has balls! and we as a public need to be able to discern her comedic partialities, and abstain from trying to paste them to her, because hse is able to tell us in such a serious manor.


a women looking you dead in the face very serious saying, "oh, i hate black people, and my boyfriend's penis is so small, i don't even care about getting him mad at me, and by the way i pooped my pants."

thats hard to lauh at at first, because of her delivery, but that is part of her character and her appeal/genius....i refrence it to mitch hedberg's some what, heroined-drawl, or steven wrights "im about to shot myself in the face with a 44. magnum, depressive moan"lewis black's crazy fingers, adam sandlers baby sound's....the list goes on.

just my opinion

When1eight=2zeros

[edit] Silverman with Jesus Magnets

Frankly, the only real reason why this picture was on the article in the first place was because its the only free image available. Now that we have a better free image it no longer has any relevance here. I don't see how Silverman pimping out some atheist website's merchandise is relevant to describing her controversies. She's made one or two comments about Christ, but from what I've seen her humor is far from focused on religion if anything at all.--CyberGhostface 02:50, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

And if you want another free picture of Sarah, I can easily get another one from flickr of her at a comedy show or something.--CyberGhostface 02:51, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
... "One or two comments about Christ"? Are you joking? Jesus is Magic, anyone? The image should be retained for the following reasons: (1) it is a good-quality image illustrating the subject matter of the article; (2) it is a free-use image, so the only reason not to include it is because it is inappropriate for this article, not because it is legally questionable; (3) although Jesus Dress-Up Magnets specifically are not Sarah's joke, they do, in fact, illustrate her general style of humor, which is provocative and does frequently reference social issues like religion; (4) having more images on this article makes it more aesthetically pleasing and helps break up large chunks of text, which makes it more accessible and appealing to readers. I welcome you to get more high-quality free-use images to add to this article (or at least consider adding), and if we get enough clearly better ones, we can indeed remove the "Magnets" one for space reasons (because having too many images is as bad as having not enough); but until then, I reallly don't see the harm it's doing. Having multiple different images of the article subject matter is a good thing, not a bad thing. The only reason to ever remove such an image is if it's inappropriate/irrelevant, useless/redundant, or fair-use, none of which seem to be the case here. -Silence 14:32, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
Agree with Silence, adding pics breaks up a very text-heavy article. Could crop the picture to remove the Jesus magnets perhaps. WLU 15:03, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
I don't see the need. The Magnets don't decrease the quality or informational value of the image; they increase it. -Silence 15:08, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
'Jesus is Magic' had very little to do with Jesus. She made a comment about Jesus two times, and one of those times was making more fun of the blacks than she was of Jesus. I'll try to find more free images of her.--CyberGhostface 17:31, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
The fact that she chose to name it "Jesus is Magic" despite a limited amount of Jesus-related content shows that she wanted to especially emphasize a a joke about Jesus; that, and the fact that she chose to be photographed with the magnets, is more than enough to show relevance. High-quality free-use images of major celebrities are hard to come by, and throwing an especially good one away on such a nitpick is just silly. -Silence 19:02, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
So if I were to find a high quality free image of her performing would that be alright?--CyberGhostface 19:09, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
Absolutely it would be alright! That would be a great image to add to the "Career" section, for sure. Though certainly such an image and the Jesus-magnet image would not need to be mutually exclusive. -Silence 19:25, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

We all know you guys only like her because she blasphemes, and that's the only reason she's popular or successful. Gee. . .I wonder how that could be? I mean, it's not as though there's some relgio-ethnic group that runs the media and foists popular culture on us that actually goes directly against what most Americans believe. . . —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.163.0.41 (talk) 17:19, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Source?

Is there a source for "that she smokes marijuana four days out of the week"?(Trampton 06:45, 20 February 2007 (UTC)).


there's a small piece on it in high times [1] --Threatis 03:55, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Recent additions re: her show material

User:169.139.188.6 added homosexuality, lesbianism, rascism, queefs and cough syrup abuse as part of what her show deals with. I removed rascism since it was a duplicate (and misspelled), and I am wondering if we really need a huge list like this about what her show deals with... Whereizben 16:34, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Usually anything more than two examples turns into a kind of within-article listcruft, I'm always inclined to take it out. WLU 19:12, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
I will do this, please let me know anyone if you disagree. Thanks! Whereizben 16:24, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

I was the one who added the additional items to the list Cough syrup etc to the list of over a dozen topics. I thought the list was so extemely long that it just need to be taken a step further. I agree that the list probably was a great example of Listcruft and the article looks more professional with the deletions.

[edit] "Sarah Silverman's profile on Wikipedia: User:Alienlifeformz"

I was reading the article and came upon this. What does it have to do with the article? If it really is Sarah Silverman's Wikipedia profile, there is no mention of it anywhere. --Kimontalk 22:06, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

I've just undone the last edit that added that in until we can confirm it here. I'll be honest, I doubt that Sarah has the spare time to do minor cleanup and editing (though I'd certainly commend her if she did). Like you, I could find no confirmation or even a reason to suspect that this account belongs to her, though. —bbatsell ¿? ✍ 22:11, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I am not Sarah Silverman, just a fan of hers. Others have inquired about this too. I had her photo (along with many others') on my userpage, and under it I had written "Me Julie," in reference to the other comedian I had right next to her, Ali G. Apparently people did not understand the Ali lingo, and thought that the word "me" (ignoring "Julie") meant that I am Silverman herself. Sorry for the misunderstanding. I've removed her photo from my userpage. --Alienlifeformz 19:52, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Initial Photo

Does anyone else think that her skin in the photo above her bio has a bit of a greenish hue to it (compare to the standup picture further down)? I don't mind fixing it if some of you agree. Do we have to get anyone's permission to alter hue/gamma/etc. on "fair use" images? ZZYZX 08:25, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] She's a waitress?

I'm not a fan of hers, so is this a reference to one of her jokes? Or is she really also a waitress? Vorenus 00:41, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Error in Jesus is Magic section

"On November 11, 2005, Silverman's concert movie, Sarah Silverman: Jesus Is Magic was released in two thousand theatres."

Two thousand is just way too many to make sense here. Does anyone know the real figure?

Jpvinall 03:34, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

I just lopped off that part of the sentence, as the real numbers (7 initial theaters, 57 total) were already in the paragraph. Tarc 03:06, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Paris Hilton Entry

This entry contains some pretty biased words. i assume the writer meant to say 'uncalled-for'; either way, the joke stands for itself, you don't need to go throwing adjectives around. Also, unless Paris says she was offended, you can't write that she was. And you describe the venue so publicly is repetitive:

Sarah Silverman also heavily mocked and offended Paris Hilton publicly at the 2007 MTV Movie Awards, with her typical and uncalled lack of poise: "In a couple of days, Paris Hilton is going to jail. [...] As a matter of fact, I heard that to make her feel more comfortable in prison, the guards are going to paint the bars to look like penises. I think it's wrong, too. I just worry that she's going to break her teeth on those things." Would it be ok to link the YouTube Video of that? I really do not know! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwkjeefUEes Can a admin please tell me?

I linked to the MTV videos, they have the correct copyright for sure. Colfer2 (talk) 16:04, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Silverman A Feminist Artist?

Should Silverman really be categorized as a "Feminist Artist"? She may be popular within some feminist and lesbian circles but I don't think she's anymore of a feminist than the typical female stand up comedian. In fact, she may be less of a "feminist" than most. She frequently makes light of issues like rape.

ReplicantRoy 01:44, 8 August 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Andy Milonakis Show?

I think she was on the Andy Milonakis Show once, but it's not mentioned in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.183.97.121 (talk) 18:56, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Controversies

Is the section on controversial jokes really necessary? Everything Silverman has ever done has been about as "controversial" as the selected quotations. It just seems entirely... well... pointless. I'm going to delete it the day after next if nobody objects. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.232.21.203 (talk) 21:53, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it's a classic "controversy because she isn't super liberal and politically correct section." Such is Wikipedia. --Haizum μολὼν λαβέ 10:36, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
I object to the removal of the section, because you've only made 5 edits to Wikipedia previously, I think removal of mass pieces of text should be left to users who have made previous contributions to this article (e.g not me!) and have worked on it for sometime p.s the whole "you've only made 5 edits thing" was not meant to be an insult or anything, no hard feelings. Ryan4314 12:25, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
That's a very silly objection. The point is a valid one. I'm editing the section. --J.Dayton 18:08, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
I don't think my objection is silly, and it's rude for you to say that, I implied no offence and I do not think 71.232.21.203 took any. I have no objection to you editing this article, although I notice you also have not made any previous edits to this article.
I was merely trying to protect the interests of those who created this article, by registering an oppose vote against the hasty deletion of their content, before they had time to register their own vote in support or objection. In case you haven't noticed but this article is currently under protection, in times such as these we must be vigilant about the removal of content, especially from unregistered users and ensure that it is a community decision. Ryan4314 18:33, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
I didn't mean to offend you. It simply is what it is: a silly objection. --J.Dayton 02:37, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
Says you. Ryan4314 12:57, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
Actually to the best of my knowledge, most of her political positions fall into the liberal side of things. Just because she isn't politically correct does not mean she is not liberal. 128.227.209.96 14:52, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
You're right. She's very liberal; but Sarah speaks in politically incorrect. Everything she says is "controversial." --J.Dayton 18:08, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
Woah hang on, thought this discussion was about the removal of a "controversial jokes" section? Ryan4314 15:09, 13 September 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Douche

I thought I'd report that the main page says "Sarah Kate Silverman is a douche. (born December 1, 1970)". I'm not going to change it because I grossly agree and it owuld be against my morals to change it.. but someone else might like to. 211.30.60.106 05:12, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks douche Angrymansr 15:48, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Silverman a LGBT rights activists ?

Should Silverman really be categorized as a "LGBT rights activists from the United States"? I thought she was a comedian... CubanOne (talk) 04:47, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

It's documented that she is pro-gay marriage. This of course leads to rumours of her being gay herself, but there is no direct evidence to support this. I don't know if any of that qualifies her as a LGBT activist. --24.2.60.26 (talk) 21:37, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
That's exactly my point, if being pro-gay marriage makes one a LGBT activist, then nearly half the population can also be categorized as activists. I really believe that category should be removed from her article.CubanOne (talk) 04:06, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
it has been. tomasz. 09:43, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sarah Silverman's other condition

On The Sarah Silverman Program Season 1 DVD, during the "Not Without My Daughter" commentary, Sarah states that she has a "couple conditions that make me [Silverman] faint". She says she has really low blood pressure that she regulates with medication. During filming for the episode, she had run out of pills a few days earlier and neglected to take them afterwards, which resulted in her fainting for roughly 10-11 minutes or so.

Since the DVD has no subtitles, I can't simply spell it out here, but it sounds like "vasal nagel" or something similar. Does anyone know what she's referring to? Action22579 (talk) 04:46, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

"Vasal nagel" didn't turn up any google searches for me. Maybe you can run it by an online medical dictionary.--CyberGhostface (talk) 04:50, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
I don't think the specific name of the drug is particulalrly relevant in this case. Why not just say she takes medication for a low blood pressure condition?--Beaker342 (talk) 04:52, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] She's f*cking Matt Damon

Isn't she?

no, that's a joke, like it says in the article. She is a comedian, after all. tomasz. 15:34, 26 February 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Mocking Bigotry etc.

The intro seems to be claiming Sarah Silverman as a champion of the very subculture she seems to be ridiculing with such amusing aplomb. The references cited point to liberal (I hate that term but it's the only commonly-used term) writers staking claim to her, but she's never identified herself in that way (link to prove me wrong). Without any input from her, Occam's Razor would seem to indicate that she's laughing at liberals instead of with them, as all things being equal, which they seem to be, that is the simplest explanation. Or, perhaps, if she's been silent on the subject, simply making a straight statement about the nature of her act without making any particular claims about what her intent is, would be more responsbible. I would also think another evidence that she is not mocking the holders of the attitudes but the pious, hypocritical denunciators of those attitudes, is the fact that the latter is funny, fresh, and would propel a career, and the former would have been funny in about 1967. But that's just my subjective interpretation (like the opening statement). 70.91.235.10 (talk) 14:28, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

In the first cited source there's this:
DRE:[laughs] With the kind of jokes you make did you ever get the wrong kind of fans?
SS:Yeah, I have an old boyfriend who would call it mouth full of blood laughs. Laughing at the wrong thing like, “Yeah I hate chinks too.” [laughs]
which is pretty directly saying that the wrong way to interpret the jokes is that they are unironic racist jokes. Personally I've never heard anyone argue that she's mocking critics of racism if that's what you're saying. Right now we have one source with her saying that there is a wrong way to interpret her jokes (which is unironically), and we have two credible sources citing it as an example of satire, if you can find a source to support your view, please provide one. I don't really understand a lot of your arguments though: being a critic of anti-racism in the independent comedy scene probably would not propel a career, unironic racist comedy is not fresh, so I don't think Occam's Razor really applies, especially since this kind of satire is pretty prevalent right now. I feel that this is like arguing that Stephen Colbert is actually satirizing critics of "the right", rather than "the right" itself. Is that a correct comparison? --TM 02:21, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
Find a reference and it could go in the article. Colfer2 (talk) 07:51, 8 March 2008 (UTC)