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[edit] synthetic star sapphire photo

STOP removing my photo. What the f**k is wrong with you. This is MY OWN PHOTO, I TOOK IT MYSELF. The page NEEDS an example of a synthetic star sapphire. LEAVE IT BE --Ragemanchoo (talk) 06:29, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

I agree with the below - there is something very odd about this article in that it doesn't mention Kashmir and it states that 'The finest specimens are mined in Sri Lanka' which is just too sweeping a statement - looks like someone has an axe to grind!

To VSmith: I dont think you removing references to star sapphire, a minor DC comics character, or Kashmir producing the finest gem quality sapphire (which is widely agreed upon by gemologists - compare prices for sri lankan, burmese, or kashmiri stones at your local jewelry store) or any of your other tweaks are really valid. This is an encyclopedia where everyone is encouraged to include their factual knowledge about the subject. just because you think star sapphire is a minor comic character, doesnt mean somebody else would not be interested in that little piece of information. I don't know who the author was, but i liked that comment. Also, u claiming that a certain piece of info was "unencylopedic" is ridiculous. This isnt the Britannica. Everything factual is welcome and valid. Your edits are pedagogical and not in the spirit of wikipedia.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.157.146.237 (talk • contribs) 03:50, 8 September 2006

I agree with VSmith's revisions. If you want an encyclopedia page on a comic character, then make one, don't muck up a FACTUAL article. Under those circumstances, those who tidy these things up might just tolerate it. No, it isn't the Britannica, but neither is it a place to type whatever you please with no regard to relevance. Wikipedia's credibility suffers greatly from this sort of fault. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.196.248.69 (talk) 05:03, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Picture

It somewhat bothers me that "the" picture for "Sapphire" contains five uncut stones - and none of them blue. Sapphires are most widely known as blue gemstones, so it seems like a cut blue gem makes the most sense for the first picture. I know Sapphires come in all sorts of colors, but it doesn't make sense for the first picture to be that one. The "Gemology" icon itself is a Star Sapphire - why not use that photo? --DragoonWraith 15:00, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Agreed -- It'd be nice to see a faceted stone among those. Blue would make the most sense, at least for the first picture in the article, because most people associate the gem with the color blue. --Ragemanchoo (talk) 07:35, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Historical references (NOT mystical)

Took out the "mystical" in the title. There's nothing mystical about a stone representing a tribe, is like saying that a dove represents peace, and there's nothing mystical about it. We are just saying that the stone is a symbol of a tribe, not that the stone gives a tribe magic voodoo powers, so the word "mystical" is both unnecessary and misleading.

165.123.140.215 09:29, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Hmm... the word removed was mythical, not mystical. But, no big deal. Vsmith 11:36, 11 April 2006 (UTC)


I wouldn't say 'historical,' either: the fact that it is a tribe's stone has absolutely nothing to do with history. Its more of a cultural reference--if it is the stone because it alludes to some story or something (in other words, if it is a reference)--if not, then it is a cultural symbol. 12.205.215.88 (talk) 18:45, 16 March 2008 (UTC)Daph Moore

[edit] Include info from new article Sapphires

Is there some reason that we can't have a more complete article here by including the info from the newly created Sapphires article? I'm new at this so please help me understand what's been going on. JByrd 03:46, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sapphire from Sappho?

Where does the name "Sapphire" actually come from? Anyone know? Personally I've got a secret hope that it links to "Sapphic". XANTHIAS

Yeah, the similarity of sapphire and sappho is interesting... Mathwhiz90601 01:33, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Can't believe this

See Sapphire#Historical_and_cultural_references:

"Blue sapphires were first discovered in the Padar region of Kashmir in the 1880s, allegedly where a landslip had uncovered their occurrence."

This strikes me as just plain nonsense. Blue sapphires are older than that! Mermaid from the Baltic Sea 19:36, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Agree and removed it again - needs a source if it's re-inserted. The last part of that paragraph was simple pov stuff. Vsmith 03:11, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
If you read that statement that sapphires were found in that region in the 1880's it makes more sense. Could be a good inclusion into a sources section. SauliH 15:37, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] sapphire x ruby x and corundum

Please, sapphire and ruby aren't minerals names. The mineral is Corundum. Sapphire and Ruby are coloured variety of corumdum. It is total incoherence to say chromium sapphire, because this is the ruby variety or the red variety of corundum.

It is always correct to say: the blue variety of corundum which is the same sapphire.

Sapphire and Ruby are popular names. The mineral's scientific name is Corundum according to IMA (International Mineralogical Association).

Zimbres 21:33, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed Merger with Padparadscha

Reasons for proposal to merge Padparadscha with this article: 1) Information can easily be summarized in one paragraph and included into this article. Most information is redundant and article is not really written as encyclopedic entry (but more of an essay). 2) Given the not enormous resources for all gemstone pages, it is better to reduce amount of pages and make high quality of the combinations (in other words, do we really have the resources to write a proper article on Padparadscha). Merging would improve the quality of the Sapphire article. 3) Does Padparadscha warrant its own article ? How about so many other varieties, fancy named gemstones etc etc Gem-fanat 17:30, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Agree There is not enought different infomation to warrant a completly sperate page. I should also be noted the the term Padparsdscha is a modern marketing term and not a historical gem term as Ruby and Sapphire are.--Kevmin 23:03, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
Agree to merge Padparadscha into part of Sapphire- The tag on the sapphire page indicates that its content would be moved to Padparsdscha, instead of the more appropriate other way around. I agree with a merge, but Sapphire should be the master page. Dachande 18:11, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
Oops sorry about that. Yes that was the intention. Gem-fanat (talk) 23:59, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
Agreed. This also means eliminating the padparadscha article, since it will be part of the sapphire article. Padparadscha is corundum. And its not red, so its sapphire. Also, we really need a photo on a padparadscha stone. Anybody? --Ragemanchoo (talk) 07:34, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Prices,,

i was just wondering about the prices of these gems per carat in the US. dalegdelph197211@aol.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.76.243.228 (talk) 09:33, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Gemstone prices tend to be nonlinear; that is, the price for ten one carat gems of equal quality will usually be less than one equal quality ten carat stone. 12.205.215.88 (talk) 19:23, 16 March 2008 (UTC)Daph Moore