Talk:Santiago Creel

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[edit] Christian Democratic

I am not sure if we should label the National Action Party as "Christian Democratic" in articles such as this one. Obviously, I am open to suggestions, but here are my objections:

• Christian Democracy is a rather narrow political ideology which is not entirely consistent with the PAN. For example, the PAN does not advocate less taxes; on the contrary, it is is the only party in Congress advocating more taxes. In addition, several initiatives, such as the seguro popular, are not expected from the Christian Democrats.
• Most casual readers are not that into politics. They may think that "the Christian Democratic National Action Party" is, in fact, the name of the political party; or that Santiago Creel considers himself a Christian democrat, etc. In my opinion, adjectives such as conservative, leftist, right-winger, etc. are easier to swallow.
• Last, but not least, because someone may argue that if the PAN candidates are gonna be labelled as CDs, then the PRI politicians can be labelled as socialist (!) since the party belongs to the Internationale Socaliste, which is just... well, bizarre.

So, in short, the PAN is 80-90% CD and it should be stressed in its own article, but I don't think we should bring those labels to the bios. Ruiz 01:24, July 30, 2005 (UTC)

Well, the fact that the PAN is a member of the CD parties says quite a bit. They have called themselves "right-of-center" (perhaps because of the negative stigma of the extreme right or to appeal to a wider audience in Mexico), but the reality is that their policies are much conservative than what a "middle-of-the-road" party usually is. The recent campain and positions against the morning-after pill is an example. Every other party calls them a "right-wing" party and the party has traditionally attracted devout Catholics. This is the list of the members of the Christian Democratic Organization and you can find the PAN there. --Vizcarra 18:08, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

The PAN belongs to The Centrist Democrat International just like the PRI belongs to The Socialist International, but are we going to start writing about the super socialist Arturo Montiel or the socialist regime of Carlos Salinas de Gortari? Think about it: "In the last decades of the 20th century Mexican socialism just flourished in the southern states thanks to the political activism of Rubén Figueroa, José Murat, Mario Villanueva and particularly Roberto Madrazo".

The PAN has many years being the only conservative party in Mexico. Because of that, you are likely to find people like Carlos María Abascal in the same bag as Santiago Creel. They are members of the same party but their ideology differs quite a bit. True, there are many members of the PAN that fit perfectly under the CD label, and this is already stressed in its article which, by the way, goes as far as comparing them to the Republican Party (as if some of its 11 governors were building statues of the Ten Commandments outside the tribunals, teaching creationism in public schools, lobbying for capital punishment or as if the average Mexican couldn't tell the difference between a PAN administration and the George Bush or Ronald Reagan administration). But applying those labels to every single member is, in my opinion, unfair. Keep in mind that their current government is the one taking the heat for the pill, the one who got the guts to put it in the basic schema, the one being attacked by the Catholics, the one who got rid of capital punishment, the one who at least attempted to bring to justice the politicians behind the dirty war against the socialists in the seventies, etc.

In short, I do believe that the Christian Democracy issue should be stressed in its article, but not in every single bio. Ruiz 00:26, August 2, 2005 (UTC)