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[edit] Sanssouci as a motif on the 5 DDM banknote?
Being myself a child of the GDR I cannot confirm, that - as statet under "Sanssouci in modern times" - the palace was used as a motif on the 5 DDM banknote in 1984. The last issue of that banknote was published in 1975 and showed a portrait of Thomas Muentzer (front) and a fleet of combine harvesters on a field (back). In fact, i was not able to find any proof of a german (post-WW2) banknote with a picture of that palace, nor was I able to find someone, who ever possessed such a note. So maybe you should delete that part...
greetings Kampfbrot —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.193.233.199 (talk) 14:50, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] couple of queries
Dear contributors: In the excerpt quoted below, I've changed the translation of "sans souci" from "carefree" to "free of care", which fits the grammar of the sentence. Is this OK?
My other question concerns the use of "Hence", which is unclear to me.
- "With its extensive views of the countryside in the midst of nature, Frederick wanted to reside there sans souci (French for "free of care") and to follow his personal and artistic interests. Hence, the palace was intended for the use of Frederick and his private guests only during the summer months, from the end of April to the beginning of October."
Tony 14:06, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
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- I don't suppose the exact translation matters that much "Carefree", "Free of Care", of course the exact translation is "Without Care", and if you look at the lettering in one of the images, it is in fact spelt "Sans, Souci". I don't understand Germanic ancient French but perhaps the commar represented a missing word (like an apostrophe) ie "Without A Care" - just a personal theory. On your secod point when I was learning English "Hence" was an alternative word for "Therefore" or "Thus" so I don't see a problem with "Hence" in in that context. Giano | talk 18:02, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
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- My wife informs me the exact modern translation is "Without concern" - but I wouldn't recomend going down that avenue! Giano | talk 18:06, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
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- I think "without a care" captures it. I'm not sure what the "Hence" is doing there - is it not possible to be free of care in the autumn or winter? -- ALoan (Talk) 21:02, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
- Who ALoan is ever happy and carefree in the Winter and Autumn? People die in those seasons! Oh you English I despair - change what you like it matters nothing to me - I am without a care because it is summer, but we should remember poor Tony who is in winter! Giano | talk 21:20, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
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- Oh, some of us are footloose and fancy-free, whatever the season! And other people have more cares in the long, hot, oppressive summer months than in the cool, blithe months of winter. I must admit that I struggle just a little to imagine our Freddy in "carefree" mode, though. -- ALoan (Talk) 22:16, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
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- I don't suppose the exact translation matters that much "Carefree", "Free of Care", of course the exact translation is "Without Care", and if you look at the lettering in one of the images, it is in fact spelt "Sans, Souci". I don't understand Germanic ancient French but perhaps the commar represented a missing word (like an apostrophe) ie "Without A Care" - just a personal theory. On your secod point when I was learning English "Hence" was an alternative word for "Therefore" or "Thus" so I don't see a problem with "Hence" in in that context. Giano | talk 18:02, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
"free of care" is clumsy, if not actually wrong, because one meaning of care is "caring for someone else, eg who's sick" and it sounds more like this use, whereas actually Frederick meant "[a place] without cares or worries". "Carefree" is probably better than "without a care", actually, which is what I just put in the article; never mind the sentence, it just fits better as a placename. I'll leave someone else to change it if they agree... Rd232 talk 22:37, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
- "Without a care" is much better—I should have thought of that. I prefer winter to summer. The winters here are distressingly warm (max 18–20 degrees). Give me sunny, windless, really cold, crisp days and I'll be happy. Giano, I'd taken "hence" to mean "therefore"; so is the intended meaning that it's usual/possible to follow personal and artistic interests in the warmer months? If so, I guess I didn't get it because so many leisure interests are indoors in a cold climate, anyway.
[edit] Palace in Haiti
I'm not sure if it would be worth mentioning in the article (or even if I'm typing this in the right place), but Frederick named the palace after the similarly named one in Haiti: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sans-Souci_Palace. This, in turn, was named after the slave Sans-Souci, who was a major leader of the rebellion against both the French and ex-slaves like Christophe. Sans Souci refused to acknowledge Christophe's victory at his surrender (unlike the french's), so in response Christophe invited him to his home and killed Souci, later building the palace to secure this 'victory'. All of this is explained in Michel-Rolph Trouillot's book "Silencing the Past: Power and the Production of History". So, it is in fact irrelevent what Sans, Souci means exactly in regards to "Without a Care", because it refers to a man's name. [Iball, 16:31, 26th May 2007]
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- Nice story, but I think you will find the one in Haiti was in fact built in 1810, a long time after the completetion of the Potsdamer Sanssouci which was built between 1745 and 1747. Giano 15:59, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
