Talk:Sandy Stone (US Artist)

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For now I just made a start with the page about Sandy Stone as I am just reading one of her books, "The War of Desire and Technology at the Close of the Mechanical Age". There's a lot about her online that needs to be added here, I am aware of that. The thing is I can find a lot of articles about her and studies but nowhere where exactly and when she was born in New Jersey. I might asked her myself. Artgoyle 13:30, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

After much thought, I changed someone else's edit in the "Olivia" section from "Raymond's opinion" back to "Raymond's mean-spirited attack". I did this because (1) There is broad consensus that Raymond was out not to express an opinion but to do serious personal and professional damage to Stone, and archives well beyond "The Transsexual Empire" clearly show that; (2) The editors' introduction in the definitive anthologization of "The Empire Strikes Back" refers to the section of Raymond's book which mentions Olivia and Stone as a "mean-spirited attack", and the phrase under discussion might well have been simply a copy of that. Stone once showed a friend of mine a sheaf of hate mail written by people who supported Raymond. Stapled to it was a memo from a member of the Olivia Collective that in part said "Why don't they just admit that their final goal is the ovens and be done with it?" As I would with any hate speech, I believe it's important not to forget and not to allow Raymond's genuinely destructive and dangerous vitriol to fade with time into "opinion", but I'm certainly willing to discuss it with the person who made the previous edit. Ruchel47 (talk) 09:06, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

No problem here for changing it back, what I hear and read about this makes me think it's an attack rather than just an opinion. Artgoyle (talk) 13:25, 29 January 2008 (UTC)