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[edit] Miscellaneous

--- Sandwich is also a Unit of Measure used in the SAP computer application, though it is not defined within SAP as to what it converts to..

Someone ought to create a section for Dagwood Sandwiches. The article of this name links to the Sandwich article but there is no mention of them within the article.

Nabarry 00:09, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

The third paragraph concerning the expanded definition of "sandwich" seems a might sketchy to me, especially since it claims that hamburgers are now called sandwiches in the United States except in most parts of that country and the rest of the English speaking world. This inference is from what is currently stated in paragraph 3. Could the original author perhaps refine this statement? I'd fix it myself but I thought I'd let the sandwich community discuss this before I take any rash action. First I'll fix myself a hamsandwichburger. Or a hamburger sandwich (in Baltimore that would be a hamberer sanrich).

JamesMadison 07:39, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Thus hamburgers and "subs", for example, are called "sandwiches" in the United States, although not in the midwest, south or western states or most other English-speaking countries (since they are not made with slices of bread from a loaf).

This implies that the United States is solely comprised of the East Coast. It should be more neutral, reading something like, Thus hamburgers and "subs", for example, are called "sandwiches" on the East Coast of the United States, but not in the midwest, south or western states, or in most other English-speaking countries (since such "sandwiches" are not made with slices of bread from a loaf). Would someone please make this correction?

I've heard the term "hamburger sandwich", but it's not common. I suppose it could be used to differentiate it from a hamburger patty. The term "submarine sandwich" is not uncommon, although it seems that most people shorten it to "sub". "Hero sandwich" used to be common, but that has faded as the use of the term "sub" has become common. I think it is accurate to say that hamburgers and subs are types of sandwiches, but they aren't what people first have in mind when they use the word sandwich.--RLent 21:54, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
From the usage I see it would be more accurate to say that a hamburger is classified as a sandwich. It's handy for doing things like counting the number of sandwiches sold by chain. I don't hear people say, "I want a hamburger sandwich." I do hear people say things like, "The store on the corner sold 1500 more sandwiches this month than last."--Gbleem 01:39, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
I agree that from a taxonomic POV, a hamburger is a type of sandwich. However, I have never heard of it being called a sandwich. I live in New York City, and have traveled up and down the eastern seaboard. Hamburgers have been called hamburgers, burgers, cheeseburgers, as well as the branded versions: Big Mac, Whopper, Quarter Pounder, [belly bombs], and so forth. [Do you want fries with that?] My mother is a Culinary Historian, and she never heard of a hamburger being called a sandwich either. I think that when someone refers to a sandwich, they mean something between two pieces of sliced bread, otherwise they will say burger or sub, or one of their variations. Becksguy 14:39, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

We need to track down a decent recipe for an Oyster Po'boy which is a hot sandwich. - Sparky This Oyster Loaf sandwich recipe is close -- needs more tabasco and less mayonaise. - Sparky 07:43, 6 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Moved Hot dog to fillings section instead of sandwich type section. Cannot really see that this is a sandwich-type, but rather a sandwich content. If this is a generic sandwich type, which then should include other sausage "sandwiches" it can as easily be pointed out that there should be a "burger" sandwich type which would encompass all sandwiches in the burger bun, i.e. chicken burgers, fish burgers, and other types. Sfdan 17:01, 28 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Hot dog refers to the bread not the sausage in some parts of Europe. Rmhermen 22:47, Apr 12, 2004 (UTC)

The earl would have been unable to eat a sandwich having sustained an injury at the age of seventeen. most of his food beyond this point would have been soup. There is evidence to suggest that a law in France requiring land owners to feed their workers a mid-day meal may have brought about the invention. There is some conjecture as to where the Earl returned with rthis idea to his estates following a journey abroad

The bread is not "usually buttered" in the majority of sandwiches, so I'm getting rid of that, and appending that as a passing phrase at the end of one of the sentences. In fact, the only one I can think of is the Reuben (though obviously there're more). A light buttering while the bread is baked is understandable, but I feel the statement "usually buttered" implies more than that.


--65.42.214.30 19:06, 7 December 2005 (UTC) Consider adding the following items:

The majority of sandwiches in the United States are not buttered, but this is certainly not the case in the UK and Ireland. American sandwiches often have considerably more filling than thise from other parts of the world (compare a typical deli sandwich with English tea sandwiches). Also in the USA, cheese is often used as a condiment accompanying meats, wheras elsewhere it is frequently used as a filling in its own right.


I saw no reference to a "sandwich cookie" such as the ever-popular (POV right) Oreo. This may also be an "Americanism" but throughout the military we often used the term "a soup sandwich" to describe an individual who was, for the most part, unproductive or of little value to the effort. Granted this is a discussion of the edible food-between-the-bread, but it adds to the sandwich concept with an interesting visual. Also under the list od sandwiches I saw no reference to the "grinder" which may have fallen into obsolescence or is only a regional term for a "sub" "hero" or "po' boy". A friend from New Hampshire used it back in the 80's. Greenbomb101 16:42, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

I would go as far as to suggest that the vast majority of sandwiches in the UK are buttered on both slices. In fact all commercially made sandwiches are. Any sandwich vendor that attempted to sell unbuttered sandwiches wouldn't last very long at all. Some sandwich shops attempt to substitute margarine for butter, but usually become known for being the source of cheap, second rate sandwiches and are avoided by anyone with a choice. So the need to mention majority of buttered/un-buttered will present this article with a bias that can simply be avoided by being location specific. 81.102.245.79 00:16, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Deleted the Following

Many sandwich producers are known for their criminal obsession of putting condiments and other, less than solid, ingredients in their sandwiches, like mayonnaise, ketchup or mustard . This turns the (usually pleasant) experience of eating a sandwich into a messy torture that the Inquisition would be more than proud of. Sliced tomato also fits in this category of ingredients that should be prohibited by international law from inclusion into a sandwich, however some disagree that in this case the offender should be viewed with some sympathy as tomato slices are easily discarded from the sandwich before eating, where condiments and sauces are not.

Great writing, but too POV. Sorry, MosheZadka 10:34, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I'd say it's right out of Uncyclopedia, but it's on topic. BioTube 00:38, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Chemistry

There are some compounds in Organometallic Chemistry called "Sandwich compounds". They are referred to this way because the metal atom is sandwiched between two ligands.

For example, ferrocene:

Cp | Fe | Cp

Should this be included?

Perhaps the page should include some mention of the word "sandwich" commonly being used to describe any situation comprised of one thing placed between two like things in common American parlance (and perhaps elsewhere?) Placing one of X between two of Y seems to be pretty regularly described as an "X Sandwich." This attests to the prominence of the sandwich "meme."

[edit] Sandwiches Gambling Buddies

As we all know the Sandwich is named after The Earl of Sandwich, however there is no mention of the friends he gambled with, Lord Twiglet and the Duke of Hula Hoop. Sorry I couldn't resist Y control 10:28, 20 December 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Sources?

Why on earth do we need sources about sandwiches? this is ridiculous. frecklefaerie 31 May 2006 16:41 (UTC)

don't you mean sauces?--Gecks 09:59, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Redirect..

I believe the redirect from Sarnie to Sandwich is incorrect. (To us Brits atleast) a Sarnie is not a sandwich, but it is precisely a toasted sandwich. A Sani would be the sandwich (as in bog standard bread) where as a Sarnie would be toasted bread with the sandwich contents (but are usually more defined, like a Bacon sarnie, etc)

Some comments please. --Dom0803 13:30, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, but that's not my understanding of the British usage... I'd say (and hear) 'sarnie' to mean a sandwich in general. Perhaps the toasted usage is regional? If we can find out what the distinction is we could put a note on a disambiguation page. (Edited to add: I like your taste in guitar musics!)Jim whitson 09:40, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
haha, thanks very much Jim. I'd like to agree with you but your userpage is lacking. I think that the Sarnie/Sani difference i explained a while back is a national thing to the UK. I know my belief in it is the same as my friend in London, where as I live in Belfast. Perhaps some sort of survey is in order.. possible? --Dom0803 21:49, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
Very interesting! Is there a difference in pronounciation? I'd pronounce both "sani" and "sarnie" the same, so perhaps that's the source of the confusion. Jim whitson 14:54, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
Well, there's a rather prominent difference in the way I pronounce it, but that's likely just the Northern Irish accent (in all its ugliness). I would imagine in the English accent the difference is miniscule, especially in London when R's aren't as prominent sounding as the rest of the UK's accents. Especially in 1-2 syllable words.
I would say it like "sah-nee[sani] and sour-nee[sarnie]" --Dom0803 13:42, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Redirect IS correct - I have never heard 'sarnie' used to refer to a toasted sandwich (in my 40+ years around the UK) - those are 'toasties' not sarnies. I would expect a 'sarnie' to be something between two pieces of untoasted bread. DrVon2 22:20, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
I agree with DrVon2 although admittedly I'm from the south of England and usage may differ up north Tomgreeny 20:07, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Citation for cutlery

Has anyone got a citation for the bit about it being good manners to eat sandwiches with cutlery in some countries? I've never heard of such a thing, but maybe I'm just too parochial... Any takers, or shall I delete that bit? Jim whitson 09:38, 25 July 2006 (UTC)


I think the Queen eats sandwiches with her fingers. If the Queen does it, I guess that proves it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.101.146.11 (talk) 09:23, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Basic definition

Should we give a more basic definition before the expanded one with the condiments and oil on the bread? A sandwich is a food comprised of meat or other filling between two pieces of firm food usually bread. --Gbleem 01:47, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Just remembered why I went to this article. Bob Evans has commercials for "knife and fork sandwiches" which I remember always being called open face sandwiches. --Gbleem 01:56, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Two hand Earl.

"Nowadays some types of sandwiches are too unwieldy to be held in one hand, thus defeating Lord Sandwich's original purpose"

If the purpose was to not get cards sticky then eating a sandwich with two hands would fit his purpose. If the purpose was to eat with only one hand then many foods would do. --Gbleem 02:00, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

"In the UK, particularly in the north of England they are known, informally, as 'butties' or 'sarnies'." What is they? All sandwiches or just some types? --Gbleem 02:18, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

All types of sandwiches, although the phrase "Chip Buttie" i.e. a sandwich containing chips (fries to Americans) is particularly popular. Tomgreeny 20:04, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

It is rare for a common sandwich in the UK to be called a Butty however. This of course excludes chip butties.--Spacerat3004 21:23, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Soggy Sandwich

Wow! Never thought I would find this much info. on a sandwich. I find it very interesting. I could not find any information or discussions about soggy sandwiches. Over the years my husband has dropped so many small hints about his sandwiches, the only thing he gets now is meat, mayo and a roll. The other day he brought his lunch home and his sandwich was still in it. IT WAS SAD!!! SOGGY, Just like he has been trying to politely tell me for years. I don't know what is causing this. My husband works very hard and provides everything his family needs. I think he deserves a sandwich that is not soggy. Any suggestions? thank you, Mom cardoza

Hehe, OK - put lettuce next to the bread. Also, avoid soggy items such as mozarella kept in brine, overly juicy tomatoes, etc. Use bread that's quite stodgy, wholemeal or brown are usually better. Can't think of anything else! Lottiotta 23:59, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Be generous with the margarine or butter - it serves as a kind of water-proofing! Good luck!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.7.151.242 (talk) 15:32, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Remove List of Fillings

I would like to propose that we delete the list of fillings. It adds nothing to the article and could very easily get out of hand. Graemec2 07:52, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

I would tend to agree with you. By definition, you could put any foodstuff between two breadlike objects and call it a sandwich. —Nate Scheffey 07:57, 5 October 2006 (UTC)


[edit] A sandwich is NOT

"A sandwich is not commonly understood to include burritos, tacos, and quesadillas, which are typically made with a single tortilla and stuffed with a choice filling of meat, rice, and beans," wrote Worcester Superior Court Judge Jeffrey Locke. http://denver.bizjournals.com/denver/stories/2006/11/06/daily62.html?surround=lfn —Preceding unsigned comment added by Namangwari (talk • contribs)

That's a legal definition determined by a U.S. municipal judge. Legal definitions aren't necessarily relevant here. In any case nobody mentions those items in the article so who cares? ...though it is odd that "wraps" are considered sandwiches. CGameProgrammer 23:38, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
The fact that there was a ruling is certainly worth mentioning. 82.171.188.144 12:23, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Should this article be (semi) protected? It's getting a lot of vandalism; the last 2 times I've looked at this article I've had to remove vandalism Tomgreeny 00:22, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes. CGameProgrammer 23:34, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion of pre-Montagu history

IP address 70.251.65.94 deleted the entire discussion of the sandwich before Montagu. There are many references and reasons to include this history in this article. I am restoring the information. Williamroy3 17:49, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

tsk tsk... it's always bloody 70.251.65.94

[edit] Vandalism?

The article, before I last edited it, contained obviously fraudulent listings of "sandwich fillers" under the section of origins. Said farudulent list items contained stuff like "Hair", "Mold", "Salt and Sadness", "Mustard and Mustard" and so on. I'm not sure if "Mustard and Custard" is a fake list entry as well, but I for some reason suspect it. I also seem to recall there being a list containing links to actual sandwich-related articles on Wikipedia last time I checked this article, which has now apparently been replaced with the current list of silliness. What happened to the real list of sandwiches? Was it removed by consensus or did some vandal erase it without the rest of the editors noticing? 83.233.169.101 16:00, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

I am the same user who made the above post (I'm behind a dynamic IP). Since the list of "sandwich fillings" contained in the article appears to originally have been added by a vandal (see article's revision history), I took the liberty to restore the earliest, pre-vandalized version of the page. If this was an incorrect decision, I sincerely apologize. "Be bold", and all that. 83.233.181.148 23:41, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New edit Feb 08

I started with limited intentions, to move a bit about cheese sandwiches that someone added to welsh rarebit, where it certainly doesn't belong. Not being busy today I've gone through the entire article: rearranged text, reconsidered the pictures, edited the list of variations (where I took off the irrelevance warning, as the list now refers only to genuine sandwich articles on Wikipedia, so I guess it's good enough now). I even made a cheese sandwich and photographed it because I couldn't find anything like the type of sandwich usually eaten in the UK. Hope I haven't trodden on toes, this is the first time I've done this. ProfDEH (talk) 13:49, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] "cibus Hilleli": I detect a hoax

Cibus Hilleli from Wikipedia is mirrored around the Internet and quoted with innocence by those who do not stop to wonder how much of Publius Terentius Varro (died ca 35 BCE) is actually quoted in Nonnus' elaborate early fifth-century epic Dionisiaca, least of all how a delicatessen description of a sandwich— "either of cheese or of meat"— might properly fit into epic structure eh. The approximate dates of Hillel the Elder are late first century BCE-early first century CE: he was writing after Varro was dead. The first insertion: "Indeed a form of sandwich is attributed to the ancient Jewish sage Hillel the Elder, who is said to have put meat from the Paschal lamb and bitter herbs between two matzos during Passover. " was entered by User:Paul Barlow, at 07:42, 9 April 2006 (not sourced, btw). Then, at 12:39, 26 April 2007 User:138.251.18.44 (not edited since) inserted "Romans referred to the meal as a "cibus Hilleli," or Hillel's Snack. <ref>And so we find in a fragment of Varro, preserved by Nonnius, that "cibus Hilleli est illa caesna quo panis sive caseum sive carnem sepit buturoque saepe operitur."</ref>" And it wasn't noticed by anyone. Double check me, to be sure I haven't durova-ed this, but I say this is a very successful Wikipedia hoax. What a load of junk in the edit history of the unprotected page: what a dull hour for me....--Wetman (talk) 20:04, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Looking at the above, I should make it even more clear that Paul Barlow's edit was simply the springboard upon which an apparent hoax was constructed: see thr Passover seder section Hillel the Elder#Sandwich. --Wetman (talk) 04:20, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
Well then, acting upon the hunch that this had the style of a Classics graduate student prank, and without abusing any individual's confidentiality, I got my tech support to enter a Whois? query for the IP 138.251.18.44, which reveals through the RIPE.net database, that the source of the edit...
... was a computer at St. Andrews University, Fife, Scotland! --Wetman (talk) 18:59, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
I agree it is a hoax. I have removed it. Jon513 (talk) 09:05, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Australian sandwiches.

There is a lack of info on Australian sandwiches, specifically the 'Jaffle'. Which is made over an open fire with a 'Jaffle Iron'. In my opinion, the 'Jaffle' is the greatest sandwich of all. Variations of the 'Jaffle' have been made in other countries, such as the Indonesian 'Japple', typically found in the Indonesian archipelago, centralized around Bali (a popular tourist destination for Australians). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.237.13.210 (talk) 10:19, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Say goodbye to "Other terms for sandwich"

I'm removing the entire section "Other terms for sandwich", since it violates WP:FLAG and WP:NOTDIC. If you really miss it, make a good case here for adding it back. Thanks. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 12:06, 3 June 2008 (UTC)