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[edit] Edits to Sand War Article

Arre, are you kiding me??.

• Tindouf and Bechar amputated from Morocco to French Algeria in the 1800s????. You better read again North African history.
• What a source you provide!!! a Polisario site. Do you take the readers for stupid to this level??
• The Moroccan sultanate ("Assoltana Almaghribia"): In this I might think you are not Algerian. Never in Moroccan History have I read this terminology. You might have mixed the Turkish sultanate with the Moroccan Kingdom. Though most Moroccan rulers have been called Sultans and Emir Almominin "Commander of the Faithfuls", Morocco has always been called either the Kingdom of Morocco or The Moroccan Empire as the Americans described it in the 1700s.
• "Regions of ... Algeria payed allegiance to ...": In the name of what would Algerians pay allegiance to the King of Morocco??. Did you know that allegiance is an islamic act "beyaa" of declaring a ruler your leader and you are part of his community??. You would go to jail in Algeria if you say that in public, and what makes it worse, to Morocco.
• the treaty has been ratified by Morocco in 1991, as a gesture from Hassan II to help strengthen Chadli against the Army.
• Regarding the attitude to WS, the Sand War has had an impact on the party that suffered defeat in it (Algeria) not Morocco. Morocco's attitude towards WS or then Spanish Sahara has not changed from 1956(way before the Sand War, 1963).
• All the stuff about the Polisario, the referendum is already in the dedicated articles, You are only trying again to accomplish your role of militant for the Polisario's lost cause.
• The GPRA did accept what the Moroccans asked: immediately after independence, the start of nogotiations for the return of the Moroccan territories of Tindouf and Bechar. So saying to negotiate is misleading if you don't continue your sentence.
• So you see, that apart from "arab nationalist" Ben Bella for which I have no stance, al the rest of your edits were baseless, and the version you yourself aknowledged as neutral and correct is restored.--A Jalil 22:19, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Stop being so aggressive... I thought you were doing a good job, just had some changes I wanted to make. Plus I don't understand some of your accusations.

• The 18/1900 was a mistaken key stroke.
• I am not Algerian, and I never claimed to be. Quite the contrary, I regularly seem to have to prove I am not.
• The GPRA under Abbas said yes to negotiations, yes. Then Ben Bella -- who was against the idea from the beginning -- said that, well, enough negotiating, the answer is no. Wasn't that what I wrote? It didn't agree specifically to "returning" the areas, however, even if this may have been implicit. That is what made Ben Bella able to say he wasn't breaking the terms of the deal.
• The Ifrane (or whichever one it was) treaty has not been fully ratified by Morocco, I think it is the parliament that is still pending. That is wholly symbolic, though.
• It is not entirely obvious that Algeria suffered defeat in the Sand War, since there were no border modifications. I think the article as it was before, was correct: Algeria took a blow militarily, but held its ground politically.
• I know there are articles on Western Sahara, I just thought it would be helpful to explain what the dispute is about in two-three lines. Is that militating for Polisario?
• Beyaa: yes, I believe that people in parts of what is now western Algeria paid allegiance to the Moroccan Sultan. That's what I wrote? And that's what you wrote? Sovereignty was normally defined in tribal and personal allegiance in pre-colonial Morocco (esp the outlying/later disputed areas), not by territorial demarcation. How now is this an attack on Moroccan glory -- it's exactly what the kingdom has always argued?
• The Beirouk page was there in the previous version, I didn't add it. What I wrote wasn't contingent on it, but I thought that it was better to leave it in than delete it -- the more sources the better. Arre 16:54, 6 February 2007 (UTC)