Talk:Sancho III of Navarre

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Contents 1 Redundancy 2 Emperor? 2.1 Coin 2.2 Article 3 Eagle

[edit] Redundancy

I am removing this sentence added by user with an IP address 207.89.155.80: He was a distant ancestor to Isabella of Castile, and, thus, is an ancestor to the present-day British royal family, including Elizabeth II, Queen of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Every ancestor of the House of Barcelona is an ancestor of the present-day British Royal Family be it through Isabella of France or Isabella of Castile (I am sure I'm not exhausting all the possibilities out there). If we don't add this meaningless bit of info to every wiki page on every member of a European royal family, let's not do it here. Or am I wrong? --apoivre 22:32, 4 Jan 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Emperor?

Several sources on the net and the encyclopedia britannica claim he declared himself emperor of all spain in 1034 rather than king.

IIRC, the first king to style himself emperor of Spain was Alfonso VII of Castile. I may be wrong, though. What are your sources? --apoivre 9 July 2005 17:39 (UTC)

First the Britannica pointed mentioned it in their micropedia article on "emperor". Then I went googling and came up with several others that matched it. Sancho's son Ferdinand also declared himself emperor of spain in 1039 followed by his son Alfonso VI in 1077 and finally by Alfonso VII in 1135. Googling "optimo imperator" will lead you to Sancho I of Pamplona/Navarre, ancestor of Sancho III. Since all these men were related, I suspect a pattern of quasi-hereditary succession of the title.--Countakeshi 22:37, 9 July 2005 (UTC)

The Spanish edition of Gran Larousse Universal also says he made himself emperor.--Countakeshi 04:26, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

quasi-hereditary succession of the title implies there was such a title. If you want, you may say he styled himself emperor of Spain. Oh, and googling "optimo imperator" brings up lots of genealogical homepages recycling the same rubbish (and this Talk page in the 3rd position). The only more or less solid source I've found so far is Payne's History of Spain and Portugal, see page 52. But I'm still in doubt (the book is full of inaccuracies) and would like to see the orignal sources for this claim. --apoivre 17:33, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

The imperial style had been used by earlier kings of Asturias and Leon tracing back to, IIRC, Alfonso III, to indicate their preeminence among the Iberian kingdoms. Sancho adopted this style to indicate that he had become top dog. Unfortunately, I have no cites handy, but I have seen it treated as common knowledge by historians of the period. Agricolae 19:50, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Coin

minted coins with the legend Imperator Totus Hispaniae.

Googling for "Imperator totius" gives me Alfonso VI rather than Sancho. Besides, according to Revista Internacional de los Estudios Vascos. RIEV, 26, 4: Discutibles interpretaciones de la moneda de Sancho el Mayor, by Germán de Iruña, there is only one coin attributed to Sancho, probably this bullion piece attributed to Alfonso VII. It only has IMPERATOR and NA(I/V) ARA. --Error 01:31, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

The article you cite mentions Menéndez Pidal and it is him from whom I believe I got that information. I cannot remember with certainty though. It should say "totius." I suspect that there are coins with the above inscription attributed by some to Sancho. If you find strong evidence to the contrary, please remove that information. Srnec 18:42, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Article

This should interest you: Imperator totius Hispaniae. Cheers! The Ogre 20:39, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Eagle

Was the eagle of Sancho's seal the Roman eagle of the legions? Was it a claim to the Roman emperor's title like the eagle of Holy Roman emperors or the Byzantine and Russian eagles? --Error 01:35, 30 March 2006 (UTC)