User:Samboy/SACD

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Hello, I added this up here, so you notice. Very interesting discussion under this link:

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?s=b0128abbea993f635f9cc22f3fb70a04&threadid=48393&perpage=10&pagenumber=30

A part of it:

"I uses hybrid SACD for comparison as CD to CD there is not comparison between the Pioneer and Burmester. However, only on 1 SACD disc I think I hear a clearer, more extended top end (channel classics), and most of the time the CDP delivers more drama than the corresponding SACD tracks (listed on bottom). Typically the Pioneer playing SACD seems more smoothed out with less clear definition and muddling of details."

This is a placeholder where I put references to mainstream articles about the success (or lack thereof) of Super Audio CD

Contents

[edit] SACD's success

From http://www.tnt-audio.com/edcorner/june06.html:

It seems high resolution formats are still going nowhere

From http://news.digitaltrends.com/talkback32.html:

I keep waiting for a high-resolution audio to trigger a similar tsunami [to catch on like CDs did in the 1980s]. But tiny islands of SACDs and DVD-Audio titles in my local Tower Records have not grown into mighty continents.

From http://www.avrev.com/news/1006/19.tower.shtml:

The pure failure of SACD and DVD-Audio as high resolution formats was analogous burning down a small town

From http://www.cepro.com/news/editorial/14139.html:

Let's go down the list [of Sony failures] [...]SACD

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/biz/archives/2003/02/23/195662 (Feb 23, 2003):

Recording companies probably placed too much hope on super audio CDs, which are said to have superior sound compared with regular CDs. The technology, introduced two years ago, has not taken off because super audio CDs cost nearly four times as much to buy as regular CDs -- and they require a special machine to experience the full impact.

http://modelcitizen.blogspirit.com/archive/2007/01/08/2006-in-review.html (January 8, 2007):

Truth be told the downfall of both these audio formats [SACD and DVD-A] should teach the Sony and Toshiba camps valuable lessons.

http://digg.com/gaming_news/Heck_Even_Sony_holds_doubts_of_PS3#c3001894 (Sep 10, 2006):

I have an SACD player, no one makes SACD's

http://digg.com/hardware/HD_DVD_Ahead_of_Blu_Ray_by_a_nose#c2542091 (Aug 2, 2006):

Remember Sony's SACD format? They screwed that one up, too.

rom http://home.ease.lsoft.com/scripts/wa.exe?A2=ind0411&L=classical&P=3676:

In the US, only 300,000 SACDs total were sold in the first half of 2004 (compared with 349,000,000 CDs sold during the same period - that's a mere 0.1% of the market for SACD)

From http://www.stereophile.com/images/newsletter/106Astph.html:

Although the failure of SACD and DVD-A to gain traction was an audio issue, I blame that failure on the record labels

From http://www.cepro.com/news/editorial/14139.html:

Let's go down the list [of Sony failures] [...]SACD

From Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2006_October_8#Category:SACDs:

[The number of SACDs] falls way short of the number of LPs, CDs, or DVDs

From http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=216428&cid=17565074:

SACD and DVD-Audio were both such catastrophic failures that only audiophiles even know what they were

0ther online bulletin posts stating that SACD is a failure: [1] [2] ("there are other reasons to explain the SACD failure"), [3], etc. Samboy 23:05, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] CDs took 10 years to catch on myth

I have seen the "CDs took ten years to catch on" myth twice. First, it was in the talk page for Super Audio CD [4]:

It took conventional CDs five years to become even a quarter of total record sales

I then saw this on the Digg archives [5]:

[CDs] really didn't start catching on until about a decade after introduction.

As it turned out, CD sales exceeded vinyl record sales in 1987, and finally outpaced cassette sales in 1992 [6].

In more detail

According to a recent survey conducted by the record industry and retail merchants, CD sales overtook album sales in dollar volume during 1986. CDs accounted for 19 percent of industry sales - up from 8 percent in 1985, while albums were responsible for 18 percent of the market, a drop from 26 percent the year before.

(Published in The Wichita Eagle on July 16, 1987, Page 14A)

[edit] SACD's sound quality

From http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=13667 (2003; post number 13):

24/192 DVD-A has much better dynamic range than SACD. DVD-A has 24-bit performance (144 dB SNR) up to 96 KHz, whilst SACD has the equivalent of just 20-bit performance (120 dB SNR) just up to 20 KHz, and quite worse performance over this frequency. Over 50 KHz the signal is very noisy, in fact Sony recommended to filter SACD output over 50 KHz.

[edit] SACD hybrid disk compatibility

Hybrid SACDs have compatibility problems.

http://www.sa-cd.net/showthread/18262//y?page=first:

when I put a (Hybrid!) SACD in my computer drive, it only occasionally works

From http://forums.macnn.com/66/ibook-and-macbook/323226/hybrid-sacd/:

My PC drive attempts to recognise the DVD layer [of the hybrid SACD], leading it to an endless loop, instead of the standard CD one.

[edit] Major releases on SACD

This is a more in-depth look at major SACD releases, based on the long list in the Wikipedia article. Here is the list:

New releases:

  • Keane Only their 2004 album "Hopes and Fears" was released on SACD [7] [8]. Keane has since released "Under the Iron Sea" in 2006, which was not made a SACD release [9]
  • Snow Patrol Snow Patrol has released some four different records. One their third one, "Final Straw", was released on SACD [10] [11]. In particular, their fourth album "Eyes Open" did not have a SACD release [12]
  • Incubus Again, only their 2004 album "A Crow Left of the Murder" was released on SACD [13]; their 2006 album Light grenades was not released on SACD.

Back catalog:

Annonced back catalog:

[edit] SACD by genre

Here is the listing of all Genres of SACDs at sa-cd.net:

   2 Inspirational
   4 Independent
   6 Spoken
   8 Folk
  11 Latin
  13 Instrumental
  20 New
  27 Country
  27 Easy
  30 Traditional
  43 World
  47 Chanson
  63 Blues
  70 Soundtrack  
  81 Demos/Samplers
  99 Unassigned
 104 Chinese
 121 Japanese
 128 Vocal
 409 Pop/Rock
 759 Jazz
2202 Classical
4274 Total