Talk:Samuel Cunard

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How'd this end up named Samuel Cunard, 1st Baronet Cunard? He's Samuel Cunard, 1st Bt. There's no such thing as a "Baronet Cunard".

The suggested format at [[1]] is Sir Samuel Cunard, 1st Baronet, so I'll move it there. Although I rather agree Samuel Cunard would be better. - Nunh-huh 08:32, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I would say strike "1st Baronet" from the title because the article makes no mention of his being a Baronet, how he came to be one, etc. To say nothing of explaining his being the 1st, and who were the 2nd, 3rd, 4th etc. IMO, either this should be explained or the article title should be just "Samuel Cunard". If someone were to object, we could put in a sentence somewhere saying "His full title at the time of his death was Sir Samuel Cunard, 1st Baronet, referring to his Baronetcy which ceased to exist with the death of his son, Edward Cunard." --Smithfarm 16:18, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Article was moved to this title by a banned user with a history of problematic edits to Canadian history articles. I'm going to revert it to Samuel Cunard now, under the guideline that "subject is primarily known without the title". Bearcat 00:23, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I've heard that "Cunard" is a clerk's misspelling of "Cunders" the actual family surname; Cunard apparently became accepted by the family. I don't know what date that was, but phonetic spellings were a common cause of name variations in the days before high literacy rates. The name Hoyt is said to have 34 variant spellings such as Hite, Haight!

It's about three generations back that the name was "Cunred": Thones Kunders -> Henry Cunreds -> Samuel Cunard -> Abraham Cunard -> Samuel Cunard. But lots of names varied in their spelling from generation to generation, especially as they moved from one nation to another: the clerks are too often blamed for what is really just normal variation in orthrography. - Nunh-huh 03:13, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Naming

See From WP:NCNT#Other_non-royal_names#4:

Baronets, as they hold hereditary titles, often for a large part of their lives, follow the same practice as hereditary peers and should have their title noted in the beginning of the article. The format is Sir John Smith, 17th Baronet. For the article title, this format should only be used when disambiguation is necessary; otherwise, the article should be located at John Smith. John Smith, 17th Baronet should never be used with the postfix and without the prefix.

Therefore this articles name should be changed.--Ginggangsgoolies 20:44, 21 August 2007 (UTC)]

Agreed, and done Brainmouse (talk) 00:52, 6 December 2007 (UTC)