Talk:Same-sex attraction/Archive 1

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Contents 1 Merge with Homosexuality? 2 Please STOP deleting 3 Improvement drive 4 Redirect to homosexuality

Merge with Homosexuality?

Not sure I understand the purpose of this page. Is SSA is a synonym for homosexuality, in which case this page should be either redirected or deleted outright? Comments? Axon 10:31, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I think it could be a useful article on its own, though it needs a little work. Homosexuality is certainly big enough to warrant spin-off pages like this. -Seth Mahoney 21:40, Jun 16, 2005 (UTC)

I agree homosexuality can have multiple spin off articles, but I'm not sure if this is one of them: SSA is simply a synonym for homosexuality, perhaps notable only because it is sometimes used by the ex-gay movement (discussion of which seems, to me, to be covered by Ex-gay and [Reparative therapy]]). Why do you think it should remain? Axon 23:09, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Same-sex attraction refers to one of the three main aspects of homosexuality, attraction. There are articles on other terms that refer to different aspects. For example, Men who have sex with men is all about a term that references same-sex behavior. We have just spun off the article Terminology of homosexuality, and I think this would actually be a great place to consolidate these sorts of terminology-only articles. I'm starting to see that the differences between which communities use the various terms actually paint an interesting picture, and it would be nice to have that all on one page. Especially since navigation right now is a little tortured. -- Beland 04:27, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

I think WP should avoid becoming a database of etymology. The article Same-sex attraction clear fills a purpose in the overall treatment of sexuality in WP. -Acjelen 04:34, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

Well, there are huge overlaps in content between same-sex attraction and the homosexuality and sexual orientation articles. -- Beland 04:58, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

I see your point above, Beland, but I'm unsure if there is enough content to warrant a seperate article when the content could be easily moved to the homosexuality article. Axon 09:09, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

I think it should stand. As noted above, attraction is a huge part of homosexuality and deserves its own entry. It needs to be fleshed out, but is useful.

Although Homosexuality can be associated with Same Sex Attraction. After all, being "Gay" is about being sexually and romantically involved with the same sex etc. But the two are Completely different. Not only does Same Sex Attraction deal with "healing" of homosexuality-bisexuality, it deals with the reasons why people develop homosexual-bisexual feelings and desires in the first place. As noted on this page, Same Sex Attraction can be different for everyone. Everyone is obviously different. Different pasts, struggles, and issues. It all depends on how you cope and deal with it all. I think people should be more accepting to gay and bi people etc. It isn't genetic or something people think "Hey Im gonna feel like this today". These things develop over time. But ofcourse society makes it seem like these are chemical imbalances and or genetic which are untrue. There is an underlying cause of what you feel. Some people may be use to being gay and are comfortable with it and have no desire to change. Then there are those who have led that kind of life style and just dont feel its for them and seek to change. Then there are those who know from the beginning that they have issues and are why they have the feelings they have, understand them, and grow from them. I dont think theres any shame with Gay, Bi, or people that have SSA or people that are confused and what not. They are after all just labels created by society. These feelings are natural based on what they have gone through, been through, experienced etc. In my understanding, those that have same sex attraction are obviously attracted to the same sex. It can be an intense attraction. Admiration. But it's usually on overdrive. They dont feel "Gay". They dont nessissarily want a relationship or to be romantic with the same sex. But they have a sense of wanting that effection that they never recieved as a child from there father/mothers, peers. It doesn't have to be sexual but for some it can. But there is a difference between defining yourself as Gay and having SSA. A good website to check out if you are confused or unsure, check out GayToStraight.org. There are 2 chapters of the book on the site that you can read.

Please STOP deleting

the Gay To Straight link. It belongs with this topic. Thank You.

Improvement drive

Flirting is currently a candidate on WP:IDRIVE. Vote for it if you are interested!--Fenice 20:38, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

Redirect to homosexuality

I repropose turning this into a redirect. It's been two years, and the article remains a stub that is basically all about reparative therapy, which is better covered in that article. Fireplace 15:15, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

I would support such a move, but the part about bisexual erasure (which I added) leaves me uncertain as to whether that's the best move. I would appreciate a week or so to find sources for the bisexual erasure part of it. See Men who have sex with men for more info on the rationale. Joie de Vivre