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[edit] Cuica

We have an article about the cuica and it is one of the most recognizable signatures of the Samba, isn't it? It isn't mentioned at all in this article though. I don't have the expertise to know where it should go though.

[edit] Portuguese origin

Actually, I do tBold texthink that samba has elements of Portuguese in it. These principally lie in the melodic material of the songs. Shall we put that back in? ''Mona''-Lynn 07:08, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Old version of this article

I found the following text in the Samba (music) talk page which I guess should be evaluated and integrated into the main article, or whatever is deemed appropriate), then deleted from here. Samba (dance) should also be integrated into this article, in my view. Mona-Lynn 07:08, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)samba is sxc

blah blah Please don't. The articles are about different things.Mikkalai 17:13, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I disagree. Brazilians in general do not make a distinction between samba as a dance and as a style of music. The articles should be merged. Noruga 13:10, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Samba is the most famous among the various forms of music that resulted from the amalgam of African and Portuguese music that took place in Brazil.

The name Samba comes from the ANGOLAN "SEMBA " - religious rythms

8/8 //: 3 + 3 + 2  : //
Bassdrums( surdo ) Marcao risposta cortador
which are mixed with a "MALINGA "rythm ( angola / mozambique) on the pandeiro( = austral african tambourin /or -->small malinga frame -drum )
16/16 // : 3 + 1 + (3) + (1 )+ 3 +1 + (3 )+(1 ) ://

Samba developed as a distinctive kind of music at the turn of the XX century, mainly in the state of Bahia. especially in Santander Some forms of the original african semba "roots "music are still played on the ATABAQUES (three conga like hand drums) and developped into the SAMBA PAGODE

the playing on one atabaque ( = you can also use a djembe ) is
< < Bell
16/16 R B b L R B b L
( R= right( strong )hand rim or tone L = Left hand rim or tone
B= open strong bass b = weak bass

it is still the music of the " BLOCOS " in the santander carnival

The migration of black population from Bahia to the capital Rio de Janeiro brought the samba to the metropolis and evolved there into the samba carioca

The first recordings of samba (Pelo Telefone, by Donga, in 1917) carried the new music outside the black ghettos, known as favelas, but the real popularity of the samba only started with the compositions of one genial white musician, Noel Rosa. His abilities as a lyricist and satirist made the samba acceptable to the white middle class, while maintaining the essential characteristics of the music: its rhythm, its unique instrumentation and structure.

It's not Santander, Salvador is the Bahia's capital. And the earlier pagode (countryside pagode) is quite different from Bahia's actual music (carnival groups, afoxés or trios). The popularity of samba is highly due to Vargas dictatorship and his propaganda bureau, who used radio stations to broadcast the rythm and the songs as a symbol of brazilian identity, aiming to unify the cultural differences among brazilian provinces. And, of course, Noel Rosa was a genius.
Salvador isn't "the Bahia's" capital,it's Bahia's capital.Even if the word "bahia" means "bay" in portuguese, the state's name is still a "substantivo próprio" - personal noun.I don't know how to explain that very well, as I am not very familiar to English grammar.
See also Samba software, a free, open implementation of Microsoft's networking protocols.

[edit] "In the sixties..." paragraph of Samba history a bit misleading

That paragraph in question seem to imply that artists such as Cartola, Nelson Cavaquinho, Velha Guarda da Portela, Zé Keti, and Clementina de Jesus are part of the "leftist musicians of bossa nova". I beg to differ. Artists mentioned above are the sambistas 100% and should be differentiated from bossa nova.

Moreover, even though those artists mentioned above may have recorded their first albums in the sixties, they were "discovered" much much earlier. I believe Cartola was one of the founding fathers of Mangueria back in the 1920s or early 1930s. Nelson Cavaquinho was supposedly Cartola's drinking pal and they wrote many samba classics that got popular before the sixties.

The article also makes no mention of Paulinho da Viola, a master craftsman of samba songs that was very active from early 70s to the 80s. His contribution to samba is significant and his rise as a sambista came after Zé Keti's generation but before the younger Beth Carvalho and Zeca's. [was ic -> now Cuica-dude]

I encourage you to edit away! This article needs more work and it sounds like you're the person to tackle it. Looking forward to the results. Mona-Lynn 05:14, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Samba dance stuff

I have removed new material that is off-topic - about the dance - and suggest that the anonymous person who added it integrate it instead into Samba (dance) or into Brazilian Carnival. Here it is:

Since Samba is so popoular in Brazil, it comes as no surprise that Samba is a big attraction on the annual Carnival that is held 2 weeks before the traditional Christian fasting of Lent. Rio de Janeiro is host to this amazing celebration of music, good food, color and of course the Samba dance. Every year thousands come to Rio to attend the Carnival from all over Brazil and also from other parts of the world. The Carnival comes with a lot of The celebration of Carnival ends on "Mardi Gras". Samba dancers in the Carnival are dressed in attractive and exotic clothes that are bright in color. They are also scantily clothed, particularly the women. There is a lot of belly dancing in Samba. Incidentally, both the Samba and the Tango, the 2 major South American dances are hugely popular across the world. But Samba and the Tango are completely different, as different as Fire and Ice can be. While hundreds come to the streets dansing Samba, Tango is more personal that is participated by a couple.Samba Dance and The Carnival

[edit] Confusing

This article, to a lay person (ie, me) is very confusing—I don't recognize many of the instruments, and I don't understand many of the subdivisions. What I think would be most helpful would be some sort of example of Samba linked to this page. Perhaps someone could find something on Creative Commons? The Jade Knight 05:42, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cameroonian Connection?

In Kom in Cameroon there is a traditional dance called Samba. It is musically different from Bazilian Samba, but there are some parallels, especially the use of a friction drum, which, as far as I know, is also called "Samba" in the Kom language. I don't know if the word is related to the Angolan word semba. The ethymology of the term in Bantu languages should be investigated. (cf. Talk:Friction drum). I also don't know if there is any historical link to the brazilian Samba. Does anybody know a reference on this? Does anybody have information about the ethymology of the terms "semba" or "samba" in Bantu languages? Nannus 20:58, 23 August 2006 (UTC)''''

[edit] Samba (India)

I removed the User:Ganeshbot/sandbox/Samba notice. The two have absolutely no relationship. Macgreco 02:15, 19 February 2007 (UTC)