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[edit] Crocodile size

On this page it is stated that the largest crocodile found and measured was over 8 meters long, while on the crocodile page it is stated that there is no scientific records of crocodiles longer than 6.7 meters. Maybe some references would be nice?

This is an issue for the crocodile page, I think. The actual statement appears to be "According to scientists there are no truly reliable records of any non-prehistoric crocodiles over 22 feet (6.7m)." Furthermore, that page also states that "In the town of Normanton, Queensland, Australia, there is a fibreglass mould of a crocodile called "Krys the Croc", shot in 1958 by Krystina Pawloski, a teacher/taxidermist who found the 28-foot, 4-inch (8.64 m) animal on a sandbank on the Norman River near her school outside Normanton." I myself would still like to have some verification for C. porosus's size, and I will look around. Mang 18:54, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Crocodile and saltie pages have been updated. The problem with the size of the largest crocodile has been fixed. News; On June 16, 2006, A 23-feet (7.1m) giant saltwater crocodile was captured in Orissa, India and was crowned the world's largest living crocodile. It lives in Bhitarkanika Wildlife Sanctuary and in June 2006, was entered in the Guinness Book of World Records. [1]

Referencing allexperts.about.com about the size, it turns out to be much less. I guess 1500 kg is a product of imagination. Any idea?

A 6m long crocodile (like the famous hybrid Yai) has a weight of about 1200kg, so 1500 kg for an extraordinairy large 7m long crocodile would work well. No, that's wrong. Truth is, large crocs have only been estimated, not weighed. look at it, the big belly looks big, no? But it's empty inside. Most of the weight are the tails and the heads, please. 1000 kg, no, a 6m nile croc is 700 kg, so a 7m saltwater is about 800 kg, no more. A Croc looks heavy, but isn't that heavy.

HERE IS THE OFFICIAL 23 FOOTER- http://english.ohmynews.com/articleview/article_view.asp?no=298369&rel_no=1

As of now there should be no mroe argument about whether or not 23 foot animals exist.....as even Guiness recognizes this now.

Unfortunately, this crocodile was not captured and measured, and hence its size (23 feet) is only an estimate. Although I can't provide a direct citation for this fact, you certainly won't find a citation that verifies that the crocodile was measured. The largest crocodile that was captured, measured, and the result published was 20.2 feet (6.3 m) by Jerome Montague 1983 (J. Herpetology). The size came from its skin, and croc skins are known to shrink slightly after they dry, plus the crocodile was missing a small portion of its tail. Dr Montague therefore estimated the actual size to be 20.7 feet / 6.3 m, and this is the figure reported by myself at [1]. That does not mean that larger crocodiles do not / have not existed, but that's simply the largest verified size. There are larger skulls where the total body size was never recorded, and these are the only real evidence we have that 22-23 foot crocodiles existed. More will be published on these findings by Rom Whitaker and myself in the coming months. --Krayzkrok 04:51, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

The sizes are quite the underestimation. There are several instances of 16 foot/5 meter crocs measuring at or near 2,000 lbs/ 1 ton I can give you the links. So a 7 meter Croc would weigh far more than that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by DinoJones (talk • contribs) 02:45, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

We're seeing still more re-edits of this page to introduce 7 and 8 meter crocodile lengths. I would challenge anyone to find a single scholarly or otherwise reliable reference that states a crocodile was actually MEASURED snout-to-tail at 23 feet or more. I haven't seen any references to so much as a photograph of these purported giants. (And of course photographs can be doctored anyway.)
The best we have is some wardens of wildlife areas boasting about how big the crocodiles in their areas are. The skull in India has been estimated to come from a 23 foot croc by scholars, and that's the ONLY tangible evidence of a croc longer than 21 feet. The plaster cast in Australia was NOT made from an actual crocodile, but rather built from scratch to mimic the reported size.
I will edit the section to make clear the controversy about this subject, but at the same time I will make it absolutely clear that no MEASURED crocodile has ever been found to break 21 feet. - Atarr (talk) 16:24, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
OK, edit done; I think I made the discrepancy between reported sizes and measured sizes clear, while mentioning the most reputable versions of both. - Atarr (talk) 18:23, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Intelligence

erf, the section on "intelligence" needs a tone rewrite. ... aa:talk 04:49, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

I've added a couple sources to the bottom. It looks like somebody cleaned up the silliness in the "intelligence" section, so I went with what they did and leaned it out some. I am concerned that the section is getting close to OR, specifically Dr. Britton's. Anyways, that's somebody else's call. I have added a little bit of info to the article, and it sounds less insipid now. ... aa:talk 15:17, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] intelligence

This part does not cite its sources. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fjbex (talk • contribs)

[edit] buffalo

This story has been told many times, but only in words, with no evidence, e.g. a pic or a video of corc successfully killing water buff. I highly doubt this figure. Can a croc, kill a buff???????????

I have often seen in documentations how large nile crocodiles attacked cape buffalos, so it would be very probable that salties prey also sometimes on the larger water buffalo.

Yes, the cows and young. The bulls are too much. I have watched the documentary: "Hunter: dawn of the dragons" on NGC a few times, and there's 1 scene in which a bull gaur, outraged being attacked by a large saltwater croc in Myanmar while in the water, turns back and gores the poor croc into the sky with its heavy horns, ripping it open and bleeding to death. Buffalo bulls smaller than gaur, but still, very large.- Really? How large was the Crocodile? Is the footage old?

Any of the bulls and even one of the bigger cows of these large cattle can succesfully resist an attack, it doesn't mean that a croc can't also take one on occasion. Water buffalo resist tigers at times quite succesfully but they still fall prey at times. Cape buffalo are spectacular fighters but crocs and lions do kill them. Will in New Haven 71.234.42.229 19:22, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Crocodile weight

In Animal Planet the website http://animal.discovery.com/convergence/oceans-deadliest/deadliest-creatures/deadliest-creatures_03.html said they weigh more than 3500 pounds. I have ask a Crocodile Scientist and he said the average size 15 to 16 feet and a 15 footer weighs more than 1500 pounds and the 16 footer weighs 1700-2000 pounds. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.239.159.105 (talk) 21:23, 31 January 2007 (UTC).

"I have asked crocodile scientist" is not a valid reference. The most scholarly reference we have is the one I linked in the article, and this dismisses every 23+ foot extimate of Crocodile size.
If you have an actual scholarly or otherwise reliable reference that places weight higher than what the article currently says, then by all means, reference it. The discovery link seems poorly researched and is certainly not more reliable than the link in the article which was written by a scientist. - Atarr 21:27, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] er . . .

There have been reports of larger individuals tearing down small sailboats, but on account that the people in the boat would be out at sea with a hungry crocodile, witnesses are lacking in those scenarios.

if witnesses are lacking, where do we get the reports? 67.68.205.232 06:41, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Capitalization?

Shouldn't it be "saltwater crocodile" instead of "Saltwater Crocodile?"

[edit] japanese soldier legend

I'll remove this legend since it is a)unsourced b)implausible
Personally I think its imposible that a hand full of crocodiles may eat 1000 Soldiers.(Their stomache is just to small and the density of croc population makes clear that there did not live enough crocodiles in this area to eat 1000 soldiers in one day (; )
sources wich contrdict this story: 1, 2

[edit] Species Status

on http://www.flmnh.ufl.edu/cnhc/csp_cpor.htm#stat the species status states its of Lowest Concerns yet on the site it remains endangered. Could someone please verify its status —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Uggenslagen (talk • contribs).

[edit] Least Concern

Did the Saltwater Crocodile get off the Endangered Spieces List? Once It said here it was Endangered and now it's Least Concern.67.175.231.147 17:33, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Link to IUCN redlist here [2]
I'm not sure where to add the link in the infobox. Trugster | Talk 12:09, 20 October 2007 (UTC)