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[edit] "alsakeenata"

How does "alSakeenata" differ from Sakina? I fail to see the purpose of the amendment as such. On the contrary, it may serve to confuse the average layman without knoweldge of Arabic, as he/she may think that alSakeenata is something different due to the way it sounds or is pronounced in English.

Because it isn't in the form 'sakina' which would make make a closer association with 'Shakenah'. It's deceptive to put it in the form that it isn't used in to further a claim, rather than leaving it as it is. Anyone without knowledge of Arabic knows what's being alluded to, it takes a complete retard not to. --xx-Mohammad Mufti-xx 04:10, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Another light on the interpretation of Sakina =

In "The Light of Sakina in Suhrawardi's Philosophy of Illumination" by Nasrollah Pourjavady, his study focuses on the Qur'anic concept, sakina, which is related to the mystical phenomenology of inner illumination that was discussed by twelfth century Persian philosopher Shihab al-Din Suhrawardi. Nasrollah Pourjavady is a scholar in Islamic mysticism, professor at Tehran University and Director of Iran University Press.

Pourjavady shows first that this concept is embedded in early sufic writings as well as in one of the technical works of Avicenna. Secondly, he questions the thesis that this concept is rooted in the ancient Hebraic and Iranian perennial traditions. This study illustrates that like this philosophical writings, the mystical doctrines of Suhrawardi were influenced by Ibn Sina. Jarpirate 14:14, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] reply to Muhammad Mufti

Muhammad Mufti,

1) then why didn't you edit the quote of verse 2:248, which says SAKEENATUN in the transliteration? Why only Alsakeenata?

2) also, i would like a comparitive study to be included in this article, Sakina, because it explores the concept of Sakina. this would also include references to Shekhinah and Sakina bint Hussain.

regards, YAM

1) I forgot, but now that you've brought it to my attention, I will.
2)I rv'ed to Itaqallah since this article isn't about the comparative study, it's simply about the Arabic term. He added disambiguation, so if you want to talk about the term 'sakina' in relation to the prophet's(saw) grand-daughter, you can do it on her page, but it wouldn't make as much sense on this page. So if the following information that was removed from this page can't be found on her page than you can add to hers. But this information doesn't fit with this page on the Arabic term:
- Sakina, or Sakina bint Husayn, is also the name of the youngest daughter of Husayn ibn Ali. This child was both the granddaughter of Ali ibn Abu Talib, and the great-granddaughter of Muhammad. She was born on the 20th of Rajab.
- Sakina was imprisoned in Syria along with other members of her family, the Ahlulbayt, after the Battle of Karbala. She was subsequently tortured and murdered in a dungeon by the forces of the Ummayad Caliph Yazid_I.[citation needed] She was about five years old at the time of her death on the 13th of Safar.[citation needed] Her tomb in Damascus is a place of pilgrimage for Shia Muslims.
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- It is worth noting that Shi'ite literature is replete with references to the bond between the parent and the child, with Sakina refusing to sleep without her head on Husayn's bosom, resulting in a feeling of tranquility for both father and daughter. She was found clinging to her father's headless corpse in the aftermath of the Battle of Karbala.[citation needed]
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- The mourning for the young Sakina is an integral part of Shia ritual mourning for the day of Ashura, the culmination of the Remembrance of Muharram.
--xx-Mohammad Mufti-xx 07:50, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

there is already a page set up for sakina bint husayn, all of the relevant information regarding her can be placed in that article if it is not already there. the comparative study that was suggested seems to be rather weak and essentially original research (i.e. not published citations) in order to justify her inclusion in this article. there is no reliable published source provided that has linked the usage of sakina in the qur'aan and arabic language with the experiences of sakina the personality (even metaphorically), so it is not for editors to try making deductions or interconnections which are less than obvious. regardless, disambiguation is more useful in that you don't have bits of information cluttered over several articles. you want everything about sakina bint husayn, on the sakina bint husayn page. therefore, this information does not need to be on this page. thank you for understanding ITAQALLAH 13:55, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] references

In response to the editorial request for encyclopediac referenced style I have added references in several edits to link to specific references and other wikipedia pages in encyclopedia style. I have also included modern references to political strategies involving the abrogation of sakina. These are controversial, but hold the key to certain issues which are pivotally informative to utopian aspects of world futures. I agree with the criticisms of the many and various different incantations of the word sakina, so have reinforced the continuity of sakina, while retaining the varieties in parentheses. I sense here a bit of a political motive of dissembling the essential connection with Shekhinah and the feminine, by interpreting Sakina just as so many shades of peace or repose. Some reference to the inner illumination of later traditions including Suhrawardi and the Sufis could be added later if desired although the link with the word 'sakina' might need to be established - Dhushara

[edit] Rename article

The article seems to be about the use of Sakina in the Quran. I suggest that this article be moved to something like Sakina usage in the Quran. -- Jreferee (Talk) 07:44, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Major Deletion Unjustified

Itaqallah has deleted half this page and inserted claims that the remainder may be subject to a conflict of interest. Itaqallah is an active deletionist with an interest primarily in Islam. He claims I have a conflict of interest and that this section may be original research. I don't accept this and see the deletion as a form of censorship, invoking a conflict of interest in regard to his own strategic area of interest in Islam, and by implication misusing the principles of Wikipedia to achieve this end. I see this as a testing area for the principles of Wikipedia in the face of the sort of conflicts dominating religious agendas have, concerning the rewriting of history to their own advantage. This tests the issue of the ability of deletionists to systematically censor Wikipedia of all issues they regard sensitive to their cause. Dhushara 03:00, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Here is a short answer. If you look at the text of the Quran and summarize it in this article, that may be considered original research. If a third person looked at the text of the Quran, summarized what they read in a reliable source publication, and you summarized what that reliable source publication said about the Quran, that is OK. You should not use information from your website. And if your personal writings are not part of a reliable source publication, you should not use that. The 1981 bood Muhammad at Medina seems like a reliable source. For this article, a WP:COI would seem to apply only to the writers of the Quran, and a COI report does not confirm a COI. Individuals may have bias as to a certain view, but that generally does not create a COI. You also might want to review Wikipedia:Words to avoid (e.g., Armstrong notes, Muslims claim, and Armstrong comments). Critique of Islam (I really do not like the word criticism) is fine so long the article as a whole meets WP:NPOV. Material for which a WP:RS footnote is provided usually requires talk page discussion before removing from the article. I usually try to footnote all my article sentences since it makes it clear from where I obtained the material. -- Jreferee (Talk) 03:19, 21 August 2007 (UTC)