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Contents 1 Moved from article 2 NPOV? 3 Infobox 4 Geography, Economy, and Demographics 5 Capital name 6 Ainu Population 7 Redirect 8 please verify 9 Merge? 10 �"路 11 "Indigenous Peoples" of Sakhalin

[edit] Moved from article

Moved fr. article

Initial text from 1911 Encyclopedia Britannica. Please update as needed.

Finish mv

--Menchi 04:40, Jul 31, 2003 (UTC)

I deleted the last sentence of the opening paragraph, "Now, the opinion which should return Karafuto (Sakhalin) and the Chishima Islands to Japan and to carry out is also the world," as it seems like a poorly translated tag to the paragraph--TKE

[edit] NPOV?

Why is there a POV warning? There's no comments here, and I can't find who added it in the log. (comments, people, comments) Is it okay to remove? I don't see much POV in the article, but I haven't done a deep reading. --Golbez 22:18, 6 Apr 2004 (UTC)

It's OK as far as I can see. It does presents the area as a place of constant Russian expansion (which it was, of course), while the power struggle and the contesting interests of Chinese, Japanese and Russian rulers and colonists are at different levels responsible for the transformation of the Island and the negative effects on the native population. The only thing I would doubt is the statement that the Japanese returned the 'proper' name to Sakhalin by calling it by a japanized Ainu name. Historical names change according to historical processes and in their respective contexts are all equally valid. To avoid an unnecessary essentialist remark I'll remove the word 'proper' from this second paragraph, therefore stating that the Japanese restored the Ainu name for the Island. By the way, anyone might have information on the actual times of Japanese withdrawal from the north portion of Sakhalin, Hammond-Times Atlas of World History states that the Russians regained full control of this portion only after 1925 (p. 254). As I have no further information than a small sign on a map, maybe somebody could find out more. --BlackMarket 16:36, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Infobox

I want to transsfer the names of the Russian, Japanese and Chinese names into an infobox, so as to make the organization of the names better. The names were not added by me, however.

If anybody is interested, please see the dispute on the Korean name of Tsushima Islands; but there should be no reason why the Korean name should be taken down just because Korea no longer claims Tsushima; the Japanese name is here, yet Japan does not claim Sakhalin. However, the Japanese in retrospect to Sakhalin, like the Korean in retrospect to Tsushima, have played a significant role in their history. Mr Tan 09:04, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Geography, Economy, and Demographics

I have added to and edited these sections. --Sir Edgar 07:38, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

The indigenous people of Sakhalin are the Xianbei and Xiazhe tribes, who had a way of life based on fishing. The Chinese in the Ming dynasty knew the island as Kuyi (Chinese: 苦夷; pinyin: Kǔyí), and later as Kuye (Chinese: 庫頁; pinyin: Kùyè). According to the Book of Shengmu (Chinese: 聖武記; pinyin: Shèngwǔjì), the Ming sent 400 troops to Sakhalin in 1616, but later withdrew as it was considered there was no threat to Chinese control of the island. A Ming boundary stone still exists on the island.

Look at the passage above.It indicated that the "Ming" sent 400 troops to Sakhalin in 1616 according to the Book of Shengmu.But I think the dynasty which sent troops in 1616 is Qing not Ming. "1616年：根据《圣武记》，清朝就曾派兵四百到岛上巡边，因无外力威胁而撤回。" http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%BA%93%E9%A1%B5%E5%B2%9B

I have added to the Economy section, in order to provide some perspective on possible Russian reasons (referenced) for its recent actions regarding the Sakhalin II project. Saraalan 03:03, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Capital name

"The Soviets completed the conquest of Sakhalin on August 25, 1945 by occupying the capital of Sakhalin, 大泊(Yuzhno Sakhalinsk)."

The capital of Karafuto Prefecture is called Toyohara (豊原) in Japanese and Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk (Ю́жно-Сахали́нск) in Russian. There is a railway station called Ōdomori (大泊) in Mie prefecture, though (which is very far from Karafuto), see [1] or [2]. Do the 大泊 characters refer to another Ōdomori location in Karafuto Prefecture, and if so, which place is intended, Ōdomori or Toyohara?

User:212.247.11.153 19:34, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

The text above, that you copied, says:

• "Ōdomori (大泊) in Mie prefecture"

That makes me think that the location in NOT in Karafuto, but Mie.

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WikiDon 20:16, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Ainu Population

I have changed the current Ainu population to zero as per information presented in "The Shamans Coat: a Native History of Siberia" by Anna Reid.(2002)DHBoggs 18:17, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Redirect

"Sahalin" could be a redirect page for this.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.230.249.138 (talk • contribs) .

Done.—Ëzhiki (ërinacëus amurënsis) • (yo?); 13:35, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] please verify

We should verify disputed content regarding Japan's current position on the status of Sakhalin. The Japanese government has formally established a Consulate-General in Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk ( ja:ユジノサハリンスク#在外公館 ), it can be regarded as an official recognition of Russian sovereignty. - 219.79.122.73 05:17, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merge?

There is a lot of redundancy between Sakhalin and Karafuto Prefecture. It seems like the latter should be merger with the former.

I wouldn't go as far as to merge them completely (if only for categorization and linking purposes), but the latter should definitely be cleaned up.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 16:00, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. With the number of articles that link to Karafuto Prefecture, it would be nice to keep an article there. But it needs to focus principally (if not entirely) on the Japanese occupation and administration of Sakhalin and not focus so much on the history and geography of the island as a whole. I'm not an expert on Karafuto but in the near future I'll try to translate and incorporate some information from the Japanese page and see if I can't get rid of a little bit of the redundancy. CES 16:43, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

I don't know much about Karafuto myself, but if you happen to have any questions about Russia/Soviet Union when you work on this article, feel free to ask me for help. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 17:42, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] �"路

According to the article this is how Tōrō is spelled in Japanese. There just might be something wrong with it - considering it consists of �, ", and an actual kanji. Lysis rationale (talk) 00:53, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

I just found it in the Karafuto Prefecture article, it's 塔路. Lysis rationale (talk) 00:55, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Indigenous Peoples" of Sakhalin

Am I the only one who thinks it is very odd to have Russians, Koreans, and Yakuts listed as "indigenous peoples" of Sakhalin? Shouldn't the "indigenous peoples" of Sakhalin be the Nivkhi and the Ainu, and at most perhaps also some Tungusic peoples (e.g. Oroks or Evens)? Ebizur (talk) 01:10, 20 February 2008 (UTC)