Talk:Saiyuki (manga)

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[edit] Cleanup

I agree that this needs to be split up. The most glaring thing to me is that despite the title of "Saiyuki (manga)" more than half of this article is about the anime based on that manga, which has some significant differences. I'm much more of a fan of the manga than the anime, and I feel that the article should at least be about what it claims in the title to be about. I also think that the original Journey the West myth needs some more love and attention, and perhaps has "first dibs" on this title. IsaacSapphire 01:00, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Do not move any names here! I am using the "TokyoPop" names. WhisperToMe 23:05, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)

How about moving the Gensomaden Saiyuki article to Gensomaden Saiyuki? —Tokek 14:56, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

This needs a serious cleanup. I believe this needs to be split up. --Penwhale | [[User talk:Penwhale|Blast the Penwhale]] 01:19, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Move this article to Gensomaden Saiyuki. "Saiyuki" generically refers to the story of the Journey West and Monkey King. Put in some disambiguation link to your favorite anime article. Without the original, there would be no Gensomaden. The name "Saiyuki" is really for the original.--60.43.34.23 14:19, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Yes, but only the first anime series is known as "Gensomaden". The title of the first manga series is simply "Saiyuki", and the series as a whole (both manga and anime) is known under that name. Perhaps the information should be reordered to bring the legend to the top, and have its adaptations follow it or be made into separate wiki pages. --Kakumei 00:07, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

How about a more detailed page on the anime/manga, with character bios, like the article on the anime/manga BLEACH? I'd love to do it, but I'm still new here, and don't really dare screw up the article...

--Levin09:42, 04 May 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Things that need to be added

  • Saiyuki doujinshi culture.
  • Compare & contrast to Patalliro Saiyuki.
  • Saiyuki Live Action.
  • Saiyuki Reload ~Burial~ OAV. http://saiyuki-ova.net/web/
  • Radio Saiyuki Reload.
  • Saiyuki Gaiden 3.
  • Pre-Saiyuki with Studio Backgammon.
  • Saiyuki video games.
  • Add that Saiyuki was produced by ADV and that the American Voice Actors are as follows: David Matranga as Sanzo, Greg Ayres as Goku, Braden Hunt as Hakkai, and Illich Guardiola as Gojyo. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.1.1.101 (talk) 18:19, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Romanization

I changed it to "Gensomaden Saiyuki" as opposed to "Gensōmaden Saiyūki"—the Japanese best-of album uses that Romanization. urutapu 01:28, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Broken weapons

I was of the impressions that they actually created or summoned their weapons (a la goku's Nyoi Boi), as they aren't seen with them except in combat situations. Wether or not this is the case, however, I wouldn't know. The anime doesn't really discuss it. --Melissia 20:52, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Food and Sanzo"

Is there any actual evidence as to that certain episode being added to "show that Goku's life revolves around more than food and Sanzo"? Did a director say this or is it mere conjecture? Denimcat 19:46, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Not that I've seen. I recall a coupe of episodes where Sanzo was badly hurt & Goku absolutely refused to eat. But it IS true that his life revolves around food & Sanzo.

[edit] Reload and Gunlock seperate entries?

Perhaps someone might want to start an entry for the second and third series of this anime, and link it to the main article. I did an extensive edit and rewrite for this entry, and have noticed that someone keeps inserting information about Hazel Grosse and Gato in particular. I can only assume this is because he/she is a Gunlock fan with a particular interest in these characters.

However, I feel this information is irrelevant to this article, as the idea is to describe the original series only. There are dozens of characters in this series, from Gensomaden to Gunlock, (and the movie) and there simply isn't room to describe them all in one entry, nor is it fair to include information on someone's personal favorites just because they can or want to. This is not a fan forum and an encyclopedia entry is not the place for trivia, bias or unnecessary information.

We're all passionate about anime, obviously, which is why we're bothering to edit these entries. I'm a passionate fan of Saiyuki, and wanted the entry to have some polish, clarity and professionalism in it's content and presentation. Yet Hazel and Gato are from *Gunlock,* a seperate series, and not relevant here.

If you feel passionately about Reload or Gunlock, or the Hazel Arc in general, then write up a seperate entry and give it the attention it deserves, rather than a brief and ambigous mention in the middle of this article.

````Juleebee

Ilove this show

[edit] Messy Saiyuki articles

Some problems with the Saiyuki articles:

  1. This article had a lot of html markup in it (copied from a website?), I tried cleaning it up. The two other articles, Saiyuki Reload and Saiyuki Gunlock suffer from the same html plague.
  2. I also noticed that this article, which is called "Saiyuki (manga)" doesn't contain an infobox on the manga, where as those two other articles contain an infobox on the manga, identical on both articles.
  3. The info on the voice actors is repeated on the reload and gunlock articles.
  4. The info on the theme songs is in this article, and repeated in the two spinoff articles.
  5. The characers are described in this article, they each have their own page with a huge block of text.

-> What is the use of having two separate articles if you're repeating the info? Are they useful, or can they be merged into this one?

-> Why not create a 'List of Saiyuki characters', cut down the info and slap all info on the characters and voice actors in that article? Ninja neko 20:54, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merger

I propose to merge the Saiyuki Gaiden article into this one.

  • The article is about a small side story of this manga, and does not need it's own article.
  • The article only contains some plot info, which can easily be placed in here.

Any objections? Ninja neko 20:19, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and I also proposed a merger for Saiyuki Gunlock into Saiyuki Reload, if anyone cares to join that discussion. Ninja neko 20:21, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
I say, go ahead and do it! -- chsf 15:07, 2007-06-05 (CET)

I agree, & don;t forget to mention that Gaiden 2 is out. Why doesn't Tokyoopo plan to translate them??? >.<

There are 3 now.

please don't it would be spoiler for those currently reading the series, (DH)

Went ahead with the merger, only kept very basic info. The Gaiden series could perhaps also use a part of the infobox here. Ninja neko 18:52, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Character Name Kanji?

There seems to be something severely problematic with the kanji that appear next to each romanized character name in the Characters section:

1. In the case of those kanji I recognize, no commonly accepted readings agree with the romanization of either given name or surname.
2. Some names include katakana, which are blatantly wrong as they have no significant variance in standard Japanese reading.
3. None of the kanji names agree with the same characters' names presented in kanji in the From Classic Novel to Anime section (these, by the way, do agree with the given romanizations).

Somebody with perhaps some substantial knowledge of the series or the classic want to step up here? Tsunomaru 05:06, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Genre = Shoujo

Ask anyone, check websites, even Japanese websites; Saiyuki has a 90% or higher shoujo audience & most men who like it keep that fact to themselves. Like everything Minekura-sensei does, the series is more bogged down with gay jokes than Jay & Silent Bob, plus all the random non-book based episodes are sjoujo-typical, though season one is arguably "tougher." & most obviously, the characters have a great deal of femanine appeal & some degree of femininity to them. Unlike shounen, fight sceens are short, women are unimportant (except to Gojyo & even then for a messed-up & unusual reason), & the series is heavy on angst & personal drama. Guys don't seem to like this series or avoid it because of it's reputation.Most importantly, Zero Sum is a shoujo manga anthology, with other titles such as Loveless. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.161.122.193 (talk) 06:03, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

The series has been serialized in a Shonen magazine, thus would be classified as Shonen, no matter who reads it (see also: Love Hina). Ninja neko 06:49, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Zero Sum is SHOUJO. http://www.ichijinsha.co.jp/zerosum/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.161.122.193 (talk) 07:02, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

The article states that this manga was serialized in Monthly GFantasy, which is shonen. (P.S. please sign your comments using 4 x '~') Ninja neko 08:04, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
While I will not proclaim which one Saiyuki is (Saiyuki was serialized in a shounen magazine, while Shound;t it be mentioned that the demograph for seasons 2 & 3 are shoujo? Saiyuki Reload was serialized in a Shoujo magazine), your claims of what Saiyuki is, is quite misplaced. Saiyuki theme of shounen-ai are only apparent within the fanbase, not the manga and while women don't stand out much, that wouldn't make it non-shounen (Naruto and Bleach have their share of unimportant woman, and they're still shounen). Now while I understand what you're saying about in appearing shoujo (since it doesn't provide fanservice for boys save fighting) it's quite demeaning to make Saiyuki look like a shoujo manga when it actually has more in the way of light seinen than anything else Keollyn 17:29, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

First of all, many of her oldest fans believe that she makes tougher shoujo because she finds delicate femeninity degrading & boring, also that she makes all of her characters interpairable in all of her mangas but likes to keep things realisticly descrete. There's also the fact that she has a few BL mangas under her belt & her Saiyuki characters designs are recycled from those books. Wild adapter is even more guilty of all this.


Haha, one was done in shounen & one in seinen. That would deffinately explain why the 2ed & 3ed series were so watered-down & girly. Kazuya Minekura is concidered a BL mangaka though. My guess on switching to a shoujo publisher is in responce to the lack of male audience. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.161.122.193 (talk) 08:43, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Shoudn't it be mentioned that the demograph for seasons 2 & 3 of the anime are shoujo?

[edit] Character addition

Either its me or most of the characters were deleted before. Do we readd them again? Ominae 11:24, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

They're in a seperate article "List of main characters from Saiyuki" Ninja neko 12:08, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
Forgot! Darn it. How about Homura and his two companions then? Ominae 02:12, 31 October 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Plot info

I don't know much about how well the first anime ties into the manga, so I'd like if somebody would let me no how it does overall. One particular thing is that Homura and his companions are killed in the finale, and I don't if they are dead in the manga.

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BetacommandBot (talk) 04:43, 24 January 2008 (UTC)