Talk:Saint Valentine's Day massacre

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How was it that the killers thought they saw bugs go into the garage when he wasn't even there and how did Al Capone kill Bugs Moran when he was in Florida and how come the killers were never found although some people have thoughts of who they are?

Apparently the hit team saw an optomitrist which they mistook for Moran. As Moran was supposed to have been present at the meeting they naturaly assumed that it was him arriving. Capone had been trying to kill Moran, succeeding in killing former North Side leaders Dion O'Banion, Hymie Weiss, and Vincent Drucci, throughout the five year gang war. While Jack McGurn planned and executed the hit it was a simple matter for Capone, like many Mafiosi before a planned murder, to conveniently leave for Florida and "assume everything went accoring to plan" as it were. Hitman are rarely found and, given the prominant gunmen of the period, it's a good guess as to who would have been used in such an important assignment. 152.163.100.6 22:49, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

Contents 1 Embellishment? 2 Members of Bugs Moran's gang 3 Murder weapon 4 Needs improvemment 5 Scarface no fictional depiction? 6 Four or Five? 7 Evidence

[edit] Embellishment?

The account of Frank "Tight Lips" Gusenberg saying "nobody" when asked who shot him, sounds an awful lot like writer's embellishement. These kinds of stories often crop up around famous outlaws and events like this from Billy the Kid to Al Capone. If this is true, there needs to be a reference.

• It's the standard report on this event, that the lone short-lived survivor wouldn't talk. Wahkeenah 17:37, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

It's true. The gang members wouldn't rat each other out to the police, as demonstrated by Johnny Torrio when he was wounded by a rival gang. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.192.71.68 (talk) 23:25, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Members of Bugs Moran's gang

Dr Schwimmer was not a gang member. He was a citizen who found it exciting to hang out with gang members. He picked a bad day to indulge in this passtime. His killing was unintentional, just a case of being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

[edit] Murder weapon

The article states:

Allmost all seven men were then shot and killed with a Thompson submachine gun.

However all of our own refs say two Tommy guns were used, and at least two say a sawn-off shotgun and a .45 pistol was also involved. Can we find something definitive on this, like an FBI report? -- Securiger 07:02, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

I agree. From what I've read and seen, the weapons were:

• Two Thompson submachine guns; one with a 50-round drum magazine, the other with a 20-round box (all rounds were fired-70 .45 cal. casings were found)
• Two shotguns of which at least one was fired (2 shotgun shells were found)
• [possibly others. These were what was fired, though.]

I have fixed the article and added my source at the bottom. Any comments? (Nick31091 06:18, 15 February 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Needs improvemment

Some of this article is not written in the tone expected of an encylopedia. It uses words like 'cops' instead of police, for example. Near the end it segues into Pro Wrestling and Itchy & Scratchy. 192.251.125.85 04:40, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Scarface no fictional depiction?

Why is there no mention of Scarface in the Fictional Depiction section, where it is prominently shown? Nazroon 04:31, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Four or Five?

In the first paragraph it mentions that five memebers of Al Capone's gang were the killers, however, later it only mentions four in the fourth paragraph of "The Shootings". Will someone please find the right amount of killers? -Thank you

From what I know, four shooters and 2 lookouts. The shooters were Fred Goetz, Fred Burke, Gus Winkler, and Robert Carey, with the lookouts being Byron Bolton and Ray Nugent. Burke and Goetz wore the police uniforms. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.192.71.68 (talk) 23:36, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Evidence

How did the Berrien County Sheriff's Department in Michigan get all the evidence? --Daysleeper47 16:51, 25 June 2007 (UTC)