Talk:Saint Sophia Cathedral in Kiev
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[edit] principal cathedral of Kievan metropolitan?
The article currently says that St. Sofia "is ... the principal cathedral of Kievan metropolitan". Is that so? If it WAS the principal cathedral of Kievan metropolitan in some historic times, we should change the wording. I would need to research what its status is now, but if anyone can quickly tell off-hand, please confirm this info here or correct in the article. Metropolitan Volodymyr (Viktor Sabodan) is in Kiev Pechersk Lavra. The mother cathderal of "Patriarch Filaret's" church is St. Volodymyr's Cathedral. Thanks! -Irpen June 28, 2005 19:02 (UTC)
- The name "cathedral" in proper sense kind of implies that it must have a bishop's cathedra in it. To my best knowledge, it was originally designed by Yaroslav as the seat of the metropolitan (who is also a bishop of Kyiv, of course). Lavra was always a monastery and it was not practical to have bishop's seat there: just too much disruption to the life of the monks.
- Currently, UPTs's (Volodymyr's) cathedral is Uspensky sobor in Lavra. Filaret's cathedral is Volodymyrsky sobor. Autocephalous church holds its principal services in St. Andrew's church. Also, Filaret holds services sometimes in Mykhailivsky sobor, but I don't think it counts as his cathedral in proper sense. I suppose that Sophia is not in active use.
- So, it may be safe to change in to "was".Sashazlv 28 June 2005 22:47 (UTC)
If I remember correctly, St. Sofia's was given for use to different churches lately. Maybe, there is some kind of rotation. I seem to remember the Filaret's church makes some claims for it but it does not look like it's going to get it any time soon. So, we should change this to the past tense, you're right. -Irpen June 28, 2005 22:57 (UTC)
[edit] Necropolis and Cloister
Can someone carry over some of the information from this site and also provide information on the monastaty that existed there?Kuban kazak 18:34, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Doesn't anyone competent read this page?
I have to say I am baffled by what has happened here, the article Saint Sophia Cathedral in Kiev contains blunt propaganda with phrases like "After the Mongolian Tatars pillaged Kiev in 1240 the cathedral fell into disrepair and was even occupied by the uniats" (as of course any russian knows the that a little russia chuch belongs to Ukrainian Greek Catholics is its ultimate downfall far greater then being plundered). I edited the article [1] in the spirit of NPOV and added information about the sacking of the city and the Cathedral 1169 and the mecenate of Ukrainian Hetman Ivan Mazepa (two facts that are most likely delibaratley omitted by the troll who wrote the formentioned passage for propagandistic reasons as Vladimir-Suzdal is a sort of protorussia and Hetman Mazepa, a great sponsor of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church is a national hero of Ukraine who tried to undo the consequences of the illfated Pereyaslav Rada), and fixed a typo. And then I find that ten minutes later my corrections were undone by some troll carrying a portrait of Stalin. --Tomaschuk 10:40, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
- My advice to you is WP:FAITH in front of everything, then wrt WP:NPOV statements such as as Vladimir-Suzdal is a sort of protorussia, Hetman Mazepa...a great...national hero of Ukraine and illfated Pereyaslav Rada are hardly less NPOV than the article's past state. WRT your allegations against me, please WP:NPA, regards.--Kuban Cossack 14:29, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
- this is however a discussion page and not an encyclopedic article. --Tomaschuk 17:39, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
