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[edit] Informal name

"St. Petersburg's informal name, Piter (Питер), is based on how Peter the Great was called by foreigners." This is very unlikely, because Питер is pronounced as [pit'er], with soft t', not [pitər] or [pitə]. I think it's simple shortening. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Olvegg (talk • contribs) 20:13, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] unsourced sister cities list

I commented the sister cities list because has been marked as unsourced for 9 months now. I didn't delete them because this way it's easy to recover them. If someone can find a source for a list of cities that St Petersburg is sistered with, then the source can be added to the article, and the relevant cities uncommented. --Enric Naval (talk) 17:06, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

I found an official source for a list of sister cities, so I removed all the unsourced ones. Not all sister cities appear to be listed on the official list, so I copied the unsourced ones here in case someone can source and restore them:

[edit] Disambiguation?

I believe that the Florida city of Saint Petersburg is large enough (A quarter of a million people) and important enough (Many businesses and institutions are based on StPg) to warrant a disambiguation page for the article of "Saint Petersburg". It's in a large metropolitan area, and for a long time before the collapse of the Soviet Union, people didn't have to differentiate between the two Saint Petersburgs. Who agrees with me? ColdRedRain (talk) 19:42, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] merge of list of sister cities of saint petersburg

I have proposed that List_of_Sister_Cities_to_Saint_Petersburg is merged to the sister cities section, since they contain the same information and having that article on its own is of no use --Enric Naval (talk) 09:01, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

The list of cities article is redundant also with List of twin towns and sister cities in Russia --Enric Naval (talk) 11:57, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

  • I'd rather prefer to split the section from the article altogether. Are we really going to devote 10% of the article space to sister cities, especially as the list is very difficult to maintain properly referenced? After all, it is an utterly insignificant issue, most Petersburgers simply don't care and can't even recall any of them. Colchicum (talk) 21:18, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Yeah, you are right. I'll do that --Enric Naval (talk) 15:33, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] case for leningrad.su link

This link here [1] has been removed per linkspam and restored three times. I say that we should keep because it does provide info beyond what the article would have if it was a featured article (point 1 of Wikipedia:EL#Links_normally_to_be_avoided says to avoid links that don't provide this info).

The info consists of photos of carnivals on St Petersburg, its artillery museum and photos landscapes and streets around the city. The photos are copyrighted, yes, but I say to keep the link anyways until we can find a free use replacement for this resource.

I am the fist to nuke useless external links, but I find this one actually useful --Enric Naval (talk) 11:57, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

This website is just someone's own personal photo album. As Wikipedia states, it's not a repository. Just because whoever runs that website has a bunch of photos of Saint Petersburg does not make the website anymore justified than an extensive fansite of some television show or even a city. And according to WP:LINKSTOAVOID, "#11. Links to blogs and personal web pages, except those written by a recognized authority." are not allowed. El Greco(talk) 01:19, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
The person cannot receive the full information on city only proceeding from the dry legal information. St.-Petersburg is not only a set of the facts and the list of sights. It, first of all, inhabitants, their pleasures, grief, a way of life.--Sergei Frolov (talk) 07:26, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
The website provides additional coverage of Saint Petersburg's carnival, its Artillery museum, buildings, etc, that could never fit into the article. If it just covered the same info already covered on the article or on some other accepted wiki like wikitravel then I would delete it myself. Please notice that I am for removing it once we find either free use photography resource or links covering this same info in a more encyclopaedic way, and that is not just a personal site. Currently, this is the best link we have. Meh, I just clicked on the wikipedia commons link right there on the external links section [2] and I found that it already has a ton of free photos covering same stuff as the website, like buildings [3] and the Artillery museum [4]. I agree with Greco that the link should be deleted (altought for a different reason) --Enric Naval (talk) 12:20, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Name borrowed from Dutch

I noticed this line "The original name Sankt Pieterburg (pronounced Sankt Piterburh) was borrowed from Dutch (Modern Dutch Sint-Petersburg)". However, when listening to the sound file it doesn't sound like the Dutch "Peter", a name in Dutch pronounced as "Payter". If it's really derived from the name "Peter" in the Netherlands, the name was probably spelled Pieter (my name) since that name is actually pronounced as "Peter". - PietervHuis (talk) 18:05, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Jewish vs Israeli

User User:Ellomate reverted original Jewish word for Israeli, which is simply wrong. Israeli citizens are not citizens of St Petersburg, Russia but of Israel. There is nothing racist about the word Jew or Jewish.

Israeli most commonly refers to the Jewish citizens of modern Israel, but may also refer to all Israeli citizens, including non-Jews.

--Atitarev (talk) 06:30, 29 April 2008 (UTC)