Talk:Saint Basil's Cathedral

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Contents 1 Ivan the Terrible Legend 2 Removal of games 3 Sources 4 Images 5 Question 6 Under Threat

[edit] Ivan the Terrible Legend

The article states that the legend of the architect being blinded by Ivan the Terrible is untrue, but no explanation is given, neither any references. Please, improve it, because just by saying something is untrue isn't very relialable. --Surten (talk) 21:51, 8 April 2008 (UTC)Surten

[edit] Removal of games

I would like to remove the mention of games from this article. They have no solid connection to the subject matter and I feel it borders on game advertisement. It is non-notable at best. Are there any editors opposed to removing the games? --OrbitOne ^[Talk|Babel] 11:53, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

• Well, I do not care much about the whole paragraph about multimedia placing the Cathedral incorrectly. But I think the weaseling phrase Some games place the cathedral incorrectly is much inferior than Games XX and YY place cathedral incorrectly. The later is way more informative and verifiable (games themselves allowed to be the sources for the articles, the former is less informative and unverifiable. I do not buy the advertisement argument: firstly, errors in the game reality is hardly a feature to brag about, secondly, who cares even if this will somehow affect the sales of the games - we do not work for them nor for their competitors. abakharev 16:16, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

I think the game references are simply trivial, whether generic or by name - inside/outside is as likely to be an accidental consequence of game design decisions as anything else, and I don't think anybody would take Civ4 as more authoritative than our actual pictures showing relative position. It would be noteworthy if a whole generation of Australians were confused because of a spectacular mistake in a 1950s textbook - we got any examples like that? Stan 21:32, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

I agree. The games are not signifigant in making any mistakes and the information they are attached to would never be able to stand on its own in its own article. --OrbitOne ^[Talk|Babel] 04:45, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sources

This article really needs some cites. Adam Cuerden ^talk 18:43, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Images

Today someone attempted to swell the gallery by adding inferior images from the Commons, although a link to the appropriate Commons page is here. I raised the issue on Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)#How many images does a stubby article need? and, after receiving positive feedback from administrators Geogre and Dbachmann, revert the changes. Let's expand the stub, not just mechanically overload it with Commons pics. --Ghirla ^-трёп- 14:37, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Question

I've always had a question about Saint Basil's Cathedral. The Soviets opposed religion, right? Right. Saint Basil's is a cathedral, right? Right. A cathedral is basically a fancy church, right? Right. A church is a religious institution, right? Right. So how come the Soviets never tore Saint Basil's down? 67.171.163.212 00:13, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Too much history and cultural identity, I imagine. The anti-religious ideologues had a well-tuned sense of what they could get away with - considering how much of the population went right back to the church right after the fall of the Soviet Union, there must have been millions who not only kept their faith, but passed it on to their children. Stan 03:01, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

The Soviets tried to use the churches for other purposes. Both the Kazan Cathedral and St Isaac's Cathedral in Saint Petersburg for example were turned into a museum of Atheism. The Solovetsky Monastery was turned into a prison and labor camp. The only well-known example of a church that was destroyed by the Soviets is the Christ the Saviour Cathedral in Moscow. Errabee 14:51, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

I beg to differ. Stalin instigated a wide-scale architectural holocaust across the USSR. Please check User:Ghirlandajo/List. St. Basil's was naturally scheduled to be demolished; Peter Baranovsky is popularly credited with saving it from imminent destruction. According to one legend, this Old Bolshevik settled in St. Basil's so that it would not be abolished by night and refused to leave the building on any account. --Ghirla ^-трёп- 15:45, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Interesting! I wonder why he's not mentioned in *this* article, hint hint... Stan 15:51, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

I plan to expand the article about Baranovsky when I have more time and sources. When the info is sourced, I will consider adding it to this article as well. --Ghirla ^-трёп- 15:58, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

OK, I stand corrected. It's just that I see an enormous amount of churches and monasteries in Russia, and for the most part they had a function (although not a religious one) in the Soviet Union. Errabee 15:59, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Under Threat

http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle/2007/05/82C2116A-568F-4413-A9AF-5528525AEE75.html The article here says St. Basil's may be under threat of being destroyed. Any info on this?