Talk:Saint-Denis-sur-Richelieu, Quebec
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Hi D C Thomas,
I was the one who took out “sadistic” in the article. I assure you, it was not vandalism and I am sorry if it looked like it. I tried leaving a message on the talk page but after two tries, it didn’t save so I just left after having been bold, which is wiki policy. At least I think it is since I’m not that familiar with wiki. I took an account and I’m trying again.
My main concern was with the use of the term “sadistic” which is so strong it sounded like a weasel word to me. I felt it demanded some explanation. The link provided added none. It just stated he was “sadistically” murdered without giving any more details so I took the word out. From what I’ve read, he tried to escape while being transferred (British troops where approaching), a mob gathered and he was shot by a man named Joseph Pratt. You can read about it here (http://pages.infinit.net/plante2/vol10no3/vol10no3e.htm). There’s a source at the end of the paragraph concerning Weir (see; Joseph Pratte à la bataille de St-Denis). The text is in english.
If that description is indeed true, I hardly call this a "sadistic" murder. Being shot in a warlike situation while trying to escape is not “sadistic” in any respect. I’m taking the word out again till more details are provided.
Take care Shirer 22:04, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
Hi Shirer, and welconme to Wikipedia.
- Let me see if I understand this: You say that the term "sadistic" used by scholars with impeccable credentials to describe George Weir's murder at the hands of the Patriotes in the duly referenced Dictionary of Canadian Biography online (published by the Government of Canada) is a "weasel" word and not acceptable at Wikipedia, hence your removal? And, instead you recommend a reference to someone's personal family history web site as an acceptable Wikipedia:Reliable source? Actually, I had planned to add to this description with more from the Dictionary of Canadian Biography as well as from the detailed account in Joseph Schull's Rebellion : The Rising in French Canada 1837 Macmillan of Canada (1971) which I found already in use at Wikipedia as a reference.
- You take care, too. D. C. Thomas 00:44, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
Hi D C Thomas,
Thanks for your welcome. To tell you the truth, I don't much care about all this. I just surfed there almost by accident. Leave it like this if you want. However, I am still curious as to how Weir was murdered? What happened to him? Was he tortured? Was he burned alive? Was he stoned to death or dismembered? What was “sadistic” about his murder? Again, the link provided gives no answers, no facts and no sources for that particular part of Spurr’s narrative. Hence, the word in question is not duly referenced. If it were put in quotes (like in the link given at the bottom of the article), then the reference would make sense. I won’t add them myself since I don’t care much about this and you’re doing a fine job on this page which no one cared to do before you did. However, If you find anything specific in Schull, which I read back in the day, I believe it would be best to had a more complete reference. I'll look into Jean-Paul Bernard, who was sourced in the link I gave (not a good one, I’ll give you that, but at least it gave some insight into the matter). Bernard, as you know, is a scholar with impeccable credentials. It might take me weeks since I have tons to do but I’ll get to it eventually.
Take Care 66.36.156.145 01:46, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
Hi,
Me again. Sorry, I forgot to log in on my previous post. Just a quick note. According to this page in the duly referenced Dictionary of Canadian Biography online (published by the Government of Canada), a scholar with impeccable credentials uses the term “execution” to describe George Weir’s murder: http://www.biographi.ca/EN/ShowBio.asp?BioId=37606
How history is sometimes akin to literature. It never ceases to amaze me! Were are Schull and Bernard when we need them?
My best regards Shirer 02:14, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
