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[edit] Sailor Quartet

Should we mention them or put all their info at their page. They are Planetary Sol system, senshi ablit assigned to Chibi-moon instead of Moon. Would their inclusion in the page confuse things future? --Lego3400: The Sage of Time (talk) 16:53, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

They're not planetary; they rule over asteroids. And they're mentioned in the Variants section. --Masamage ♫ 17:50, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New reorganization

To help with the problems of secondary sources and better organization, one thing that needs to happen is for a bunch of the info in the lead section to be moved into separate subsections. I imagine something like this:

  • Lead - Summarizing what and who a Senshi is, why it's important to the series
  • Development - How Takeuchi came up with the idea, how it progressed, out-of-universe facts
  • Series definition - How Senshi work in the series - females only, star seeds, planets, etc. All cited from Naoko.
    • Uniforms - As now, but figure out some way to make the citations more clear (I have refs, but it's hard to do that in a picture)
  • The Sailor Team - As now
  • Variations - As now, given a workover

Is there third-party information about the Senshi or their uniforms? It must be covered in Warriors of Legend or some of the scholarly essays, but I don't have access to those. Any contributions? --Masamage ♫ 20:32, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

I seem to recall that Grigsby treats the uniform as "zomg, sex fetish!", as does Anne Allison less so in "character goods come to the US". Allison also talks about the senshi representing a merged duality of masculine-warrior and beautiful-feminine traits in both her book chapter and in the US paper. It's been a while since I've read them. -Malkinann (talk) 04:12, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Heh! Well, that's something. I'll keep looking, too. (Is it just me, or are Westerners the weird ones here? X) ) --Masamage ♫ —Preceding comment was added at 06:22, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Actually... crazy thought here, but would it be feasible to merge the non-character-specific portions of Sailor Crystal into Sailor Senshi? -Malkinann (talk) 11:48, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
Hmm, maybe. We could probably condense the length of that description a lot, and merge it into the series definition of a Senshi? --Masamage ♫ 03:23, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, that was kind of what I was driving at - the Sailor Crystal maketh the Senshi. There's a fair bit of star seed information, though - that could probably be summarised and merged out to Shadow Galactica#Phage? -Malkinann (talk) 06:57, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
Maybe so. They are kind of the same thing, which spans storylines, but it's true that it's pretty small for its own article. Sailor Crystal here and Star Seed at Shadow Galactica makes sense, though; they can link back and forth to each other. Actually, would it make better sense to put Star Seed at Sailor Stars, in the same way the Talismans now live at Sailor Moon S? --Masamage ♫ 16:48, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
I'd thought of that, but Sailor Stars is really big. Should I put up some general notices?-Malkinann (talk) 20:15, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
The star seeds are a pretty quick explanation, though. And yeah, let's get some more people in on this. --Masamage ♫ 15:42, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
I usedta be proud of the Sailor Crystal article, but now I'm more in tune with policy. ^_^ Merging is probably a good idea. JuJube (talk) 03:46, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Looks like no one disagrees yet. Let's set the deadline for voicing opposition to this Thursday, January 24 just to be sure. If no one has a problem by then we can go ahead and do it. --Masamage ♫ 21:10, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, I've been bold and moved Sailor Crystally stuff to a new section on Sailor Senshi, and all starseedy stuff to a new section in Sailor Stars. I'm not sure that the list of crystals is needed any more in here, given that we pass over them in each senshi's "Powers and abilities" section???? -Malkinann (talk) 03:21, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
Gah, I totally forgot about this. That's what I get for planning stuff the day before my husband's birthday. :P But, looks good! Thank you for doing that. And I think you're completely right about the list; I'll go ahead and whack it out for now. Hopefully, the Sailor Crystal section can eventually be merged with our hypothetical in-universe explanation of a Senshi, and be nearer the top of the page. But this is okay for now. --Masamage ♫ 04:57, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

How's this for six degrees of academic separation? In this article, it is said that shoujo heroines are all doll-like in their looks and that this book, Samurai from Outer Space, (which I don't have access to) reckons that the characters from Sailor Moon are all miko-like, and the article goes on to say that in the olden days, female magic-users used dolls as effigies, whereas in these series (a list including Oh My Goddess! and Silent Mobius), the female magic user herself is (visually) the doll and has magic powers. Question being now, can we get our hands on a copy of Samurai from Outer Space, and if not, how do we incorporate this comparison of the Senshi to miko? -Malkinann (talk) 01:21, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Does anyone recall seeing something that says that Takeuchi didn't realise how hard the costumes would be to wear until she saw cosplayers? -Malkinann (talk) 01:02, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fair-use images

Would it be okay with everyone if we tossed the different images of the Inner/Outer Senshi and just relied on the Sailor Team pic at the top of the article for illustration? --Masamage ♫ 01:57, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Sounds great. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 04:49, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
No idea. I rather keep them but if it violates the FUC go ahead and chuck them out. However, we must label the Sailor Team image in the caption who is who, otherwise people who come and read probably wouldn't know the difference between Inner/Outer.--Hanaichi 05:52, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
No protests, so I'll go ahead and do this now. --Masamage ♫ 18:16, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Third form Sleeves.

We've assumed that they are opaque due to ESM's sleeves in the anime, but the artwork on the offical site's profile section shows the other Senshi with semi-transparent "puffs" instead of opaque ones. (Moon isn't pictured in her Eternal Form though :( ). Another update for the Sailor Generic Image and uniform section perhaps?--Lego3400: The Sage of Time (talk) 18:38, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

They're definitely opaque in the manga, as can be seen on the Materials Collection cover. Meanwhile, I don't think that one drawing with them as transparent is quite notable unless it spawns something new... --Masamage ♫ 21:23, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Outer rim

Isn't the name the Outers call themselves in the anime the same as in the manga? Does it really add some extra word for 'rim'? --Masamage ♫ 21:21, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Dunno. Someone who actully speaks japanese would have to watch. The subs though do say there is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lego3400 (talk • contribs)