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[edit] earlier comments
There is no really evidence, that 2 different kingdoms had existed on java at this time. sanjaya is just the name of a king and maybe the ancestor sailendras. later were Singhasari and Majapahit - nothing is written, that they had ruled on java meanwhile. --Lofor 20:05, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
So far as I can see, neither of the two external links from this page have information about Saliendra 87.194.56.187 19:04, 12 July 2007 (UTC)Willow4
[edit] "external links are not sources"
Yes they are. Paul Beardsell 10:53, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
- Did you check them? If you look at the history you will see that the external links were added after the article was written. Either way, the article is badly referenced. Can you dispute that? --Merbabu 12:48, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
No I did not check them. If you look at the history you will see that the external link was there when I removed the template that said there wasn't one. And, yes, I agree, the article needs improvement. But what point are you trying to make? Paul Beardsell 15:49, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Sailendra, king? prince? or a Buddhist refuge?
It is stated in the text "At its peak the Sailendra kingdom ruled the eastern two-thirds of Java, Bali, Lombok, coastal areas of Kalimantan, southern Sulawesi, and the Funanese successor state of Water Chenla." I doubt that Sailendra ever gained power in central Java. I just read this: W. J. van der Meulen (1979). "King Sañjaya and His Successors". Indonesia 28: 17–54., and at page 41 here what it says:
The simple facts that stand out with clarity are that the guru asked and received permission to build a temple and were granted the village of Kalasan (by Panangkaran) as a freehold. This simple message became complicated, however, by a mass of flowery language about an unnamed gem of a mysterious Sailendra dynasty reigning in some unspecified country. This gem may have been connected with the Sailendra who was not able to finish his inscription on the Ligor stone (before 755), probably because he had to flee from the Malay Peninsula in connection with a con- flict with Srivijaya. In any case this is the only Sailendra king known to history before the Kalasan inscription. He may have found refuge with the Buddhist community in Java, bringing his royal title, some followers, a resolve to return and not much else. He would of course have been accepted by the Buddhists as their leader, and also have been recognized by the Amrati king (the first four Sanjaya kings) as such, the latter being inclined to a laissez-faire policy and not sufficiently aware of the eventual political implications.
We need to rewrite this article based on reliable sources. — Indon (reply) — 11:19, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
- The Sail.article can be improved at several points. Regarding controversial points, it's good not to rely on pers. suggestions of particular historians but concentrate on evidence.
- concentrating on the claimed territories, for now ; The Kalimantan, Bali , Sulawesi , Chenla etc part can surely be deleted. No historical evidence for this (atleast not during the Javanese period of the 800s).There is evidence that Chenla was under suzerainity of Java for some time,but we dont know if the sailendras were involved.That the sailendra 's became prominent in the Srivijaya kingdom after the 800s is recorded in inscriptions.A. Post-Muller 00:03, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Updated
The unsourced info is removed ( also the talk about Deva raja and ricefields) Its shorter now but many in text-citations are added ; the content is backed up by studies and its the most common version . A. Post-Muller (talk) 21:26, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
