Talk:Sadhu Gnãnjivandas
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[edit] Page Move
This article should be called Yogiji Maharaj and not Jinabhai Vasanji. When a person renounces his worldly life, he renounced his worldly identity. This tradition is common to Hinduism regardless of the group or organization. As a result, this page should be renamed accordingly. Moksha88 00:34, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
- My worry is that names that involve honorifics, etc., fall foul of WP:NPOV. --Mel Etitis (Talk) 11:04, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
- Well, let's look at Pramukh Swami Maharaj and Shastriji Maharaj; both of their articles have their ascetic names and not real names. Also, if we look at a book written by Raymond Brady Williams, a neutral party, even he never has no instance of 'Jinabhai' or 'Vasanji' in the book, An Introduction to Swaminarayan Hinduism. It's a technicality that needs to be addressed and corrected. Moksha88 15:50, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
- Agree with Moksha88 that the title should be the name he was commonly known with - its his name, not a title or honorific. Try looking for 'Norma Jeane' on this site - it redirects to her popular/adopted name, Marilyn Monroe. But we do need to be careful about it being seen as NPOV. Any suggestions on how to keep the Yogiji title and not go against NPOV, Mel? wildT 17:26, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
- Again, I don't understand the POV issue. This is a factual inconsistency. Even today when devotees choose to renounce their worldy lives for the life of an ascetic, they're worldly identities are essentially wiped. Moksha88 18:17, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
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- It's exactly the "Yogiji" that worries me. The Monroe example is a different case, as she's very well known by that name; in many other cases, where someone isn't well known by either name, it's the birth name that'used as the title, and the alternative names mentioned in the article. With redirects, this presents no problem for searching, of course. (Books don't have to stick to NPoV, but we do, by the way.)
- And I agree that Wikipedia is full of articles with the same problem; most editors know enough about the Abrahamic religions generally to avoid NPoV honorifics, but they tend to slip when it comes to religious traditions such as those of Hinduism, etc. Augustine of Hippo is known to the Christian churches as "St Augustine", but we don't use that title, as it's NPoV. --Mel Etitis (Talk) 21:51, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
- Fair enough, you feel that "Yogiji" confers honor aka non-POV. Well, if you said Jinabhai Vasanji to a Swaminarayan devotee, s/he would not recognize the person. Yogiji Maharaj is the name by which he is most recognized as it was with this name that he traveled and spread knowledge of the Swaminarayan faith. Moksha88 00:55, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
- Mel, heard of Alexander III of Macedon? It redirects to 'Alexander the Great' - it may be POV to you and me, but its, well, his name. I may not agree on his greatness, but I have to agree that that was his name. I may not agree on Mohandas Gandhi's greatness but I have to agree that he was/is known as 'Mahatma' which means great soul in Hindi. A name is a name. Moksha88 is correct in saying that even his own devotees will not connect with 'Jinabhai'. I strongly feel this should be titled 'Yogiji Maharaj' in the interest of truth - its the guy's name as it was and is. Its the brand he's known as, the handle he's known with. wildT 18:50, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
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- I can only really repeat the "St Augustine" example (which is a closer analogy than "Alexander the Great"). --Mel Etitis (Talk) 00:06, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
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- Alright, if Yogiji Maharaj is too non-POV, can we at least change it to Sadhu Gnãnjivandasji? That was his name given to him upon entrance into the order. Moksha88 23:56, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
If everyon is agreeable, that would be a good compromise I think. --Mel Etitis (Talk) 00:06, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
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- Life's a compromise . . . am ok with Sadhu Gnanjivandasji. wildT 19:01, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
Jai Swaminarayan,
I think this page should have more information about Yogiji Maharaj and his accomplishments (encouraging more youths into satsang, organizing bal mandal, etc)...also has anyone looked at the Shashtriji maharaj page? i think we should reorganize that page because there seems to be no flow and too much information and prasangs..I say this because many people who visit the "Bhagwan Swaminarayan" page will come across the Shashtriji Maharaj link and will not truly understand who he was and the stuggles he faced to fight to propgate the aksharpuroshottam upasana...what does everyone else think?Vatchdog 19:22, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] See Also
I do not understand why the links to Bhagwan Swaminarayan and Bochasanwasi Akshar Purushottam Swaminarayan Sanstha were taken out of the 'See Also' section. Both of them are related articles to this personality - BAPS was the organization that he led and Bhagwan Swaminarayan was the head of his faith. Please justify the deletions. Moksha88 15:54, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
Never mind - they were duplicates. Oops! Moksha88 19:47, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
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