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The band from the beginning named themselves sade, after their female lead-vocalist Sade Adu.

In 1996 Stuart matthewman, Andrew hale and paul dennman decided to record their own album without Sade Adu (The First lady Of Cool, or The lady, as fans call her), and they formed band Sweetback, which has similar styles in their sound. but, the band Sade didn't split. They had break after their Love Deluxe tour and album with the same name.

The other members appeared as Sweetback and also have various solo projects of their own, but I don't think they were involved with Black (who, incidentally, also had another hit, "Sweetest Smile"). --Bonalaw 20:16, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

A separate article should exist for the group Sade and the discography probably ought to be moved there. Bonalaw 06:06, 20 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Done. ffirehorse 04:43, 30 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Now we have pretty much the same info in Sade Adu and Sade (band) - but really, is it so clearcut that the band is called Sade? On the official web page http://www.sade.com/ it says things like "listen to sade talk about the new album, her favourite tracks" etc. Most of the time when people say Sade they actually mean the singer, not the group. We don't have an article on Benny Goodman and His Orchestra. I think we can collect all info on Sade.Habj 16:07, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)
We should not have separate articles. When people say Sade, they are referring to the singer. Even Allmusic's article on Sade refers to the person, not the band. The contents of Sade (band) should be incorporated into this article, and then this article should be moved to Sade (singer), as she performs and publishes under the single name, in keeping with the Wikipedia:Naming conventions (common names). For precedence, see Madonna (entertainer), Jewel (singer), Jem (singer), Dido (singer), Bill Clinton, Eminem, etc. --DropDeadGorgias (talk) 19:17, August 17, 2005 (UTC)
I definitely endorse merging the two pages. See more discussion on this topic at: Sade (band). J. Van Meter 15:02, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
this article is about Ms. Sade Adu, the person. it should remain seperate for that reason alone. she deserves her own page entry. the band's page can write their own sub-section about her. ven 00:42, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Modern Popularity

İn my opinion, the track "Smooth Operator" is the most popular one because VH1 prefers it instead of "Your Love is King" track. USER: Deliogul

[edit] Pronunciation

Then her publicist shouold be rapped. The name "Sade" is a Yoruba name, and it is correctly pronounced "shah-DAY". She pronounces it correctly (British accent notwithstanding) so I don't see why anyone else cannot. :) Jalabi99 17:07, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

Please don't spell the vowel in "spa" or "Sade" with an r, anybody. It confuses those of us who pronounce all our r's. Tens of millions of Americans, Canadians, New Zealanders, etc., said "Sharr-day" because she (or her publicist) made that mistake. —JerryFriedman 20:30, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC)

You probably know this, but the spine of the initial US CD release of Diamond Life unusually included a pronunciation key, thus:

SADE (SHAR-DAY) - DIAMOND LIFE

...which to most Brits would be the same as shah-day, but led to most Americans pronouncing the nonexistent R. ProhibitOnions 11:36:06, 2005-08-23 (UTC)

I don't think we can make the assumption that it the pronunciation key was meant simply for the Brits to mispronounce. They put "SHAR-DAY" because that's what they meant, and that IS the correct pronunciation.

Um, to a Brit, it's not considered mispronunciation. To a Brit, "Shar-day" sounds almost exactly like "shah-day", with a faint hint of an 'r' there. Sade's name is pronounced "Shah-day" with a very faint hint of an 'r' there, the way she pronounces it. -GTBacchus(talk) 03:13, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

The way it was released in AMERICA, it had a pronunciation key that said "SHAR-DAY", and in AMERICA that sounds just like SHAR-DAY. How excatly would a Brit pronounce something if it said "SHAH-DAY"? If that were the correct pronunciation, it would have served both the Brits and the Americans. I also think that "SHAR-DAY" is correct. If anyone has video of Sade saying her own name, please supply that proof. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.81.43.150 (talk • contribs) 23:20, June 21, 2006 (UTC)

A British person would pronounce "Shar-day" and "Shah-day" almost exactly the same. There's a subtle 'r' that would be missing in the latter, and you'd probably get a small space between "shah" and "day". British people just don't make that "-ar" sound, haven't you noticed? Many languages don't make 'r's the way Americans do. I used to live with a Yoruba, and they don't. A video of Sade saying her own name would be the best. I'll look. -GTBacchus(talk) 20:17, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
  1. here's a link to someone ranting about the pronounciation, and the bad habit of Brits putting silent 'r's into spellings that mess up other English speakers. -GTBacchus(talk) 20:22, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
  2. here it's again made clear that the correct pronounciation is something like "shah-day" or "shaw-day", and that she sings her own name in the song "Maureen". I don't have a copy to listen to just now... -GTBacchus(talk) 20:29, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
That is incorrect. "Shaw-day" would be pronounced in normal English the same as "Shore-day" - which is completely different. My compromise is to put "Shar-day (silent R)". 90.208.215.240 (talk) 16:36, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
What you are calling "normal" English isn't spoken by most Anglophones. I agree that "shaw-day" isn't the best representation, but this business of attempting to force what the Economist calls "British High Tea" down our throats is galling. —70.183.105.254 (talk) 03:53, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
  1. here she's quoted in an interview saying "The proper pronunciation doesn't have an r in it: Sha-day. But Americans tend to put an r in it: Shar-day." I think that's enough proof, and I'm changing the article back. -GTBacchus(talk) 20:33, 14 July 2006 (UTC)


I think the s-letter in word `Sade' is s like in word `south', not s like in word `shout', because Wikipedia says that s like in word `shout' is written in Yoruba language s with the dot below, but ordinary s in Yoruba language is more like s in word `south'. So the pronunciation instruction should be [sɑ:'deɪ], not [ʃɑ:'deɪ].
You can't write pronunciation instructions as 'shah-day' or 'shar-day'! It only can be 'Sha:-day' or 'Sa:-day'. That 'Shar-day' is only for US citizens'
You can hear Sade saying her own name in the song 'Maureen'. 88.114.59.75
You have it the wrong way round. "Shah-day" would be for Americans; "Shar-day" would be for the British, because of their differing rhoticity. Her first album included "pronounced 'Shar-day'" because it was initially intended for British audiences and wasn't adjusted when released into the American market. An American attempting to pronounce her name with the guide "Shar-day" would pronounce it wrong; the reason some Americans pronounce it this way is because the pronunciation guide that they went buy was intended for British listeners, not American ones. As you say, she herself pronounces her name in "Maureen" ("Sade don't you come home too late"). She clearly pronounces it with a [ʃ] and not an [s], and there is no [r] sound of any kind present, rolled or otherwise. "Shah-day" would be the closest non-IPA pronunciation that would not lead either Americans or Britons astray. Xihr 21:13, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Proposed compromise:

  1. The pronunciation [ʃɑ:'deɪ] is accepted for “Sade”.
  2. Sade's publicist is fired, and Sade apologizes to America.
  3. England is forcibly annexed to France, in punishment for asinine pronunciation of ‘r’. (Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland remain in Great Britain until and unless they secede.)

—12.72.74.154 (talk) 02:55, 12 March 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Silent WOOHOO

Someone wants to insert "silent R" in the pronuncation. Why should we not insert other silent letters?

pwonounced shax-day (silent X)
pwonounced shalllll-day (silent L)
pwonounced shathroatwobblermangrove-day (silent THROATWOBBLERMANGROVE)

Let's leave this absurd silent R an untyped R. —70.183.105.254 (talk) 23:56, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

You're missing the point. The silent R is not pronounced, but it affects the previous vowel sound. Therefore it is required. "Shar" with a silent R is pronounced with the same vowel as "spa". Does that make sense now? If you just put "sha" that could be pronounced any number of ways, so the silent R is required so that people know exactly how to pronounce it. 90.205.80.229 (talk) 13:02, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
No, it doesn't make sense because your presumption about normal English is mistaken. The sound of the ‘a’ in “shar” goes one way for the relatively small number of speaker of RP and of British High Tea, but is quite different for pretty much everyone else. For example, in Vermont the ‘a’ (in “shar”) will be pronounced more like that in “bat”; which is not to say that some weird Vermont-based representation should be used, but simply that a weird RP-based system isn't generally helpful, even if you mark the ‘r’ as mystically silent. —12.72.70.188 (talk) 19:52, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] User:90.205.80.xxx

I draw the attention of editors to these two edits:

Plainly User:90.205.80.xxx is thoroughly convinced that only (some conception of) British English is normal and proper and that American English in particular is not normal or proper, and his edits here are part of a programme to that effect. —12.72.73.32 (talk) 21:22, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Then there were these further edits:

It's plain that his alleged compromise is no such thing. —70.183.105.254 (talk) 00:28, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] "Albums sold"

In the discography section the article has:

Albums sold in the U.S.: 23.5

Obviously there's a problem here--how could somebody sell half an album? I'm guessing it's supposed to be 23.5 million? Jrv 22:37, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] NO ORDINARY LOVE RELEASE DATE

According to Sade's official website, No Ordinary Love was released in 1992 - not 1998. Check it out. It was on the album LOVE DELUXE (1992) Ed 1961 08:55, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Right. I second 1992. -andy 80.129.84.124 00:53, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Discography dates seem completely wrong

Not being a big Sade fan myself but I know that the early hits are in the mid 80s not 90s. I suggest someone who knows something edits the Discography section as it's incredibly misleading.

Smooth Operator a hit in 1994 - i don't think so do you?

OK - so looking at Google just now and I see a cached page of wiki would indicate that the info used to be correct so please, whoever edited it, put it right.

Santoswiki 17:51, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Release date vandal

Someone seems to be getting a kick out of changing the release dates. Maybe it would help if we keep a copy of the correct dates, or even just a link, here on the talk page, and then we can be sure we revert it correctly. Can someone verify which version of the article has all the dates correct? -GTBacchus(talk) 03:02, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Here's a list of IP addresses involved in the vandalism, please feel free to add to it if you see it happening:

[edit] You guys are slipping

I'm shocked,SHOCKED i say, at the lack of depth when it comes to album info.you guys need to step your game up Blackdragon6

[edit] Umm...Lovers Live DVD = compilation?!?!

I have it, and no it's a wonderful concert in ONE silky string, no edits, no leftouts of songs! I would not list it under video "compilations". That's just silly. -andy 80.129.84.124 00:51, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Link to official Sade page.

Kind of weird. Sade.com 404s and there's no mention of it when it's googled. What comes up instead is www.sadeusa.com. It's a relevant site and seems to be hosted by Sony Music. The weird thing is that said site also links to sade.com which... does not appear to exist.

In light of this I would propose keeping www.sadeusa.com as the link to the official Sade site for the time being. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.132.130.112 (talk) 08:51, 18 January 2008 (UTC)