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[edit] Proposed deletion of Eight Ministries

The underlying reasons for a proposed edit of Kugyō by Bueller 007 would seem equally applicable in this article's context:

(cur) (last) 05:48, 21 December 2007 Bueller 007 (Talk | contribs) (6,240 bytes) (the eight ministries are unrelated, and as listed are quite clearly a direct copy and paste of the daijo-kan page, which is where the info about them actually belongs) (undo)

Although the initial ritsuryō templates were an imposed organizational overlay in the Asuka and Nara periods, a peculiar form of Japanese alchemy caused the metamorphosis of court's administrative hierarchy (a) into a tool manipulated by the kuge in the Heian period and (b) into a tool marginalized by others in subsequent periods. In fact, the "revealing framework" which Bueller 007 is questioning was replicated in other articles as well:

in Daijō-daijin (太政大臣)-- see Talk:Daijō Daijin#Proposed deletion of Eight Ministries
in Udaijin (右大臣)-- see Talk:Udaijin#Proposed deletion of Eight Ministries
in Naidaijin (中大臣) -- see Talk:Naidaijin#Proposed deletion of Eight Ministries
in Dainagon (大納言) -- see Talk:Dainagon#Proposed deletion of Eight Ministries
in Chūnagon (中納言)-- see Talk:Chūnagon#Proposed deletion of Eight Ministries

At Talk:Kugyō#The list, I proposed that we leave off further discussion of these matters until after the first of the year -- noting clearly that Bueller 007 continues to object to the inclusion of that list of Eight Ministries. I offered to post a linked note here and on the talk pages of each of the other above-mentioned articles.

As noted elsewhere (see Talk:Daijō-kan#Query), whether attributed to LordAmeth or to Sir George Sansom, I would anticipate that the verb "dismantle" will have a place of prominence in any discussions which may ensue. --Ooperhoofd (talk) 19:23, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Bueller has over-reached here and elsewhere: