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There's still a few things I want to do with this page.
Most importantly, some of the genera in the table may be ancestral to one another - if that's the case then sabertoothed characteristics did NOT evolve independently in the younger genus. I would like to make that very clear. A pretty family tree would be nice, I think.
After that, I think I'll add entries on each of the genera in the table. That's the least I could do. ClockworkTroll 05:43, 3 Oct 2004 (UTC)
- 80.218.57.163 (talk) 01:34, 24 February 2008 (UTC) I think we need in this page a description about how actually the saber-tooth were used.
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[edit] Something to add later
- One of the most popular heterogeneous group comprising repeatedly evolved identical bauplan are sabre-toothed carnivores possessing blade-like, very long and slender upper canine teeth. Very similar sabretooths appeared at various times and various places during the approximately 50-million-year history. They occurred repeatedly and independently in at least four distinct mammalian groups: in completely extinct nimravids, hyaenodontid creodonts, thylacosmilid marsupials, as well as in modern felids. In every time they coexisted succeessfully with their short-canined relatives, and it seems to be a matter of chance that we have no sabretooth with us today (Radinsky and Emerson 1982).
The bolded information should be integrated into the article when possible. Maybe change article name to "saber-tooth" ?
ClockworkTroll 06:16, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- "Saber-tooth" is good. The alternative is saber-toothed cat-like mammals or the equivalent, which is clumsy and a poor natural link. "Saber-toothed cat" should actually be a redirect to Machairodontinae, not a separate page describing the saber-toothed phenomenon, since that's probably what is intended when someone makes that link (I know I did).
- I also added an abbreviated cladogram; I think it makes it clearer how distantly related some of the saber-toothed mammals are from each other, both by showing and referring not just to when they existed, but when they diverged from their most recent common ancestor. Very incomplete at the moment.
- -Pat 05:08, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)
[edit] Display
The wording If this is the case, it would support the theory that sabertooths were social animals, is misleading. Talk to a moose which has extraordinary display structure but are not social in the sense used here. If I can develop better wording I'll change it. 208.114.132.151 17:31, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] True cats?
This article does not clearly state if Saber-tooth cats are true cats nor does it state that Saber-tooth cat is a board term conposing many orders. Someone mind fixing this? 71.135.35.5 01:13, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
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- This article is completely nonsense in my eyes. Saber-toothed cats (Machairodontinae) are true cats (they belong to the family Felidae) but the false saber toothed cats, like Hoplophoneus , which are erroneously called saber-tooths in this article, belong to the family Nimravidae.--Altaileopard 22:06, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] no link to sabre?
Stange that in all the article no mention of what a sabre actually is. GraemeLeggett 16:33, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] barbourofelidae
Barbourofelidae are no longer considered a sub-family of nimravidae and should be classified as a family of their own in the phylogeny section Laurence Browning 18:26, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
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- do you have sources for that? but we should probably discuss that at Talk:Nimravidae.--Altaileopard 22:09, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Nimravids are no Saber toothed cats
The Nimravidae are usually called false saber-toothed cats (not sabre toothed cats) and the sparassodonta should also not be called saber-tooths. That are the main reasons, why I would like to see this article deleted.--Altaileopard 22:03, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
- This is clearly a discussion of the saber-toothed phenomenon (not the cats per se), which is of both popular and scientific interest[1], and thus encyclopedic. Deletion is entirely inappropriate. The article is simply misnamed. "Cat" should be removed from the title, and the current title should redirect to Machairodontinae. —Pat 11:25, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
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- Well, i agree. Probably it would be better to move this article to saber-toothed predator, however some publications call species, which do not belong to the felidae saber-toothed cats. hmmmm.--Altaileopard (talk) 14:51, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Hyaenodont sabertooth?
What were some genera of "sabertoothed" hyaenodonts? I do know of Machaeroides and Machaeroidinae, but those are in dispute over which family they should be placed in.--Mr Fink (talk) 19:36, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Thankyou
To who ever created this page thanks alot, it is very well layed out and very helpful when comparing all the speciecs of sabertooths. TeePee-20.7 (talk) 07:59, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Taxonomic system in the list
I rearranged the list based on higher taxons to make it more clear, but I don´t like the layout of the new topics very much. Any ideas, to make it nicer?--Altaileopard (talk) 18:35, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
- Yeh keep it the way it was before you made the changes, it was fine the way it was. I am reverting your edit but keeping your deletion oh Therailurus and Dinobastis. If you wish to revert my edit then address me on this talk page please. Thanks TeePee-20.7 (talk) 00:30, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
- I was also not completely happy with my edit, that´s why I wrote here at the talk page. If you like it better as it was, I wil keep away from this article. But I don´t understand why everybody is cheering up this article so much. It consists only of two lists and the upper of them is actually very bad. All genera are pasted unsorted in a long list and you can not see which family they belong to. Some invalid generea are still in the list and not all of them are saber-toothed predators. Dinaelurus for example was a conical-toothed nimravid [2]. Cheers, --Altaileopard (talk) 13:50, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Portrayal in fiction
Would it not be a good idea to add a section on the saber-toothed cat's portrayal in fiction? It appears quite often, and a debunking section would be nice. I for one would like to know if any of the species were as large as the ones often portrayed to be nearly the size of elephants. 72.195.189.98 (talk) 02:47, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
