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[edit] Video games

Should the article contain a mention of the fact that the universe is extended in the Ghost Recon video games? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.142.79.182 (talk) 18:57, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Prior deletion

As much as I love Clancy's works, this article has been deleted before. Expect the same here. // 3R1C 04:29, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Plot summaries

There is no reason to duplicate detailed plot summaries here. Each of these books has an article of its own, and having the summaries there is sufficient ("long live the wikilink!") Not a dog 03:14, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Third opinion

  • I would say yes, plot summaries are appropriate in this article, but they should be much shorter, in light of the fact that wiki-linked articles exist. I would say, keep it to a small paragraph per entry, say 4-5 sentences or so. Smee 03:14, 15 April 2007 (UTC).
Agree. Let's get to work. I'm starting tonight (if I have time). --Bear and Dragon 11:28, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Red Rabbit Timeline irregularities

Nailing down the time setting for 'Red Rabbit' seems very difficult. Here are some problematic cultural references Clancy makes that just don't make sense.

  • Jack Ryan buys Starbucks stock at the IPO (which actually happened in 1992)
  • Orioles have 'rookie shortstop' (inferred to reference Cal Ripken Jr, whose rookie year was 1981)
  • Orioles win MLB World Series (which happened in 1983)
  • Suslov died (actually occurred in January 1982)

You would think an author of Clancy's caliber would have done a little more research on the side facts he presents in the book to set it in the correct time line.

[edit] Timeline

I've edited the dates given for the events of the books after re-reading The Sum of All Fears; prior to doing so I'd been having problems reconciling all the events but now it seems logical, when you add it to facts from other books. To wit:

- Clear and Present Danger - Takes place in an election year, at end Fowler elected president. = could be either 1988 or 1992, but...

- The Sum of All Fears - "Almost two years" after Fowler's election November; climax at Super Bowl, mention prior presidents Regan and Bush (first mention of actual Presidents, BTW, IIRC), Desert Storm has occured = late 1994-January/February 1995 (fixed date).

- Debt of Honor/Executive Orders - Two years after Ryan resigned from Government service (occured at end of SoAF). = starts in early 1997. Also I believe it was in EO that a series of recent Presidents was mentioned - it was Regan, Bush, Fowler, Durling and Ryan, IIRC.

- Rainbow Six - Sydney Olympics, also when Popov reads the label on his vaccination the label states 2000. = 2000 (fixed date).

So, far from being as muddled as I feared, the chronology actually falls together easily and makes sense (as long as you ignore the dreadful and inconsistant both with regards to OTL and within the Ryanverse Red Rabbit, which is an entirely different can o' worms...).

- Aerobird Target locked - Fox One! 19:44, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

  • CaPD takes place in 1988. The unnamed President tried to be re-elected. Since he was president during HfRO in 1984 something, CaPD can't take place in 1992 becasue that would be his third term and that just don't happend.


-Cardinal of the Kremlin has to be 1987, as there is reference to tracking a satellite launched December 26, 1986

[edit] Sum of all Fears date

The Sum of all Fears, however, has to take place in 1991 due to the existence of the Soviet Union and the mentioning of the Persian Gulf War. Unless the USSR collapsed at a later date in the Clancy universe? Dunno.

[edit] The timeline is impossible.

After The Sum of All Fears, Tom Clancy really confused himself many times over, and the dates in the books is at best a result of him smoking the magic dragon.

SoAF takes place two years after CaPD and one year before Sovjets fall. That should be 90. DoH takes place two years after SoAF and 8 months before the Election. That should be the beginning of 92. The Gulf War is mentioned. EO takes place at the same day as the end of DoH, and ends before the election is over. That should still be 92. TBatD takes place less than one year after EO, and before the winder has begun. That is late 92, the same year as both DoH and EO. Now it get's confusing. The war of Serbia (98) has happend, yet this is 93. Ryan speaks of the Trade Reform Act as it took place years ago, but it took place in DoH that was just one year before. And John Clark speaks of RAINBOW SIX starting years ago, but the book Rainbow Six started not long after EO, and that is mere months before TBatD. So I take away all years after TSoaF. When does TotT take place, btw?80.251.192.2 13:28, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

--I would assume that Executive Orders takes place in 1996 at the earliest, since one of the doctors makes reference to a wargame called "Bio War 95", which I've always assumed indicated the year it took place. That also fits the less than a year until the presidential election (as said in DoH). 68.157.60.50 20:22, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

I found this quote by Tom Clancy himself, about him screwing up the timeline. I don't know how to put it into the text so someone else do it.

http://www.clancyfaq.com/08262002Clancy.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.138.133.60 (talk) 23:03, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

It's not possible to make a timeline completely consistent because: - He's often inconsistent even within the same book - "creeping reality bleed" to coin a phrase - events from the real world tend to bleed over into the history of the Ryanverse a few years down the line.

However, a pretty consistent timeline (consistent with the ages of the kids, the dates of presidential elections and the Sydney Olympics) is:

"Clear and Present Danger" - 1992 "Sum of All Fears" - 1994-1995 "Debt of Honour" - 1997-end of 1998 "Executive Orders" - end of 1998 - mid 1999 "Rainbow Six" - 2000 "The Bear and the Dragon" - 2001 "Teeth of the Tiger" ~2008

As of "The Sum of All Fears", Clancy seems to have intended there to be a President between Bush Snr and Fowler to be the unnamed President of "Clear and Present Danger" (Fowler muses on former Presidents - Reagan, Bush, and his immediate predecessor). By "Executive Orders", it jumps straight from Bush to Fowler

The state of the Soviet Union is not really an issue - Narmonov must have held it together longer than Gorbachev did in this reality (until at least 1995). As cited earlier, Rainbow Six is explicitly set in 2000 (Popov's vaccine is dated 21st November 2000). Note that in the Ryanverse, the Sydney Olympics must have ended a couple of months later than they did in our world.

The above sequence of dates is consistent with the ages of Little Jack, Sally and Katie. AdrianCooke 22:29, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Presidents

I'm deleting Ronald Reagan from the list of Presidents. He isn't one of the "explicitly shown" as he doesn't appear in either Patriot Games or Red Rabbit, and I think the paragraph beneath the list of presidents explains his role in the series well enough, though feel free to change if you feel otherwise.

  • I deleted that paragraph beneath thingy, because since George Bush is mentioned as a president in Rainbow Six that paragraph doesn't make any sense. 18:12, 11 May 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sjalvastefan (talk • contribs)

I'm also deleting Robby Jackson, though I'm happy to talk further on this. It was my impression that he'd been shot by the Klansman while on the campaign trail, and thus have never made it into office. This is supported in Teeth of the Tiger by Gerry Hendley saying "this new guy (Kealty) only happened by accident." This probably means that Jackson was running against Kealty, who won by default when Jackson was killed (the same way Bobby Kennedy was expected by many to win in 1968, but when he was shot, the Dems nominated Humphrey and the election went to Nixon). The only way Kealty could have won the presidency, if Robby had been in office when he was shot, was if he was Robby's vice-president. That's not very likely considering how much Kealty and the Ryan Administration hated one another. 147.9.201.180 (talk) 18:43, 1 May 2008 (UTC)