Talk:Ryanair Flight 296

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Hi there. Just deleted one paragraph starting with "Media says... [lots of sensationalist albeit irrelevant and/or inaccurate things]" and another one which was inaccurate judging from the official report.

The net effect of those two paragraphs was to make it look like there was something wrong with the way the crew were trained or acted on that incident, which is not supported by the official report (linked from the article). That said, the article could be expanded by mentioning what the recommendations from the CAA were. --81.42.165.26 4 July 2005 12:13 (UTC)

• The report clearly says that the crew were not trained to open doors in a real life situation ie practical experience of opening doors in emergency (to deflate the slide). Media reports focused on other aspects of ryanair (not covered by the report), which includes those mentioned. These are also covered at the main Ryanair article. Astrotrain July 4, 2005 13:24 (UTC)

The report was really not critical of Ryanair, in the way the media paragraph suggests. I think it's very important that some sources are cited to back up what it says, otherwise I would agree with 81.42.165.26 that it seems irrelevant and inaccurate. Media reports I've found seem not to concentrate on the things claimed in that paragraph, e.g. [1]. The bit about the crew not being sufficiently warned that doors were harder to open in real life than in training was actually mentioned in the report so I have no objections to that staying in. Worldtraveller 4 July 2005 13:42 (UTC)

The report was certainly not as critical of Ryanair as the media reports of the investigation suggested. Reports I saw were Daily Express and the Scotsman. I guess they are more free to critise without basis than the BBC. Perhaps an amendment to say that the media used the investigation to highlight areas of Ryanair's training policies not covered by the report, such as pay, Eastern Europe. Astrotrain July 4, 2005 13:57 (UTC)

Can you provide any links? I've just been trying to verify some of the media's claims, in particular that staff have to pay for their own training, and can't find any source I would trust making the claim - just a large number of posts on forums, and quite a lot of mirrors of this article. I am trying to find stuff in the Scotsman archive but their search engine is not very helpful. Worldtraveller 4 July 2005 14:56 (UTC)

Staff have to pay for their own training:

• Ryan-be-fair.org
• [2]

Difficult to find articles on the fire incident due to the length of time. Astrotrain July 4, 2005 18:30 (UTC)

I've updated the article with some more details of how the incident happened. It was significant that the pilot and crew did not know there was an engine fire (only smoke) until the fire service told them to evacuate. The last paragraph of the article "Ryanair's training methods which include: aircrew training taking place in Eastern European countries; aircrew having to pay for their own training and having to pay for their own uniforms; and easily reproduced airport security passes" is largely irrelevant to this article. Paying for your own uniform, training or doing the course in Eastern Europe had no bearing on this incident as far as I can see. 87.74.28.121 23:47, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

The bit about the passengers not reading the safety cards seems a bit antagonistic. It sounds a bit like they are saying "these stupid people, they should have been smarter in an emergency" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.129.190.2 (talk) 14:57, 28 April 2008 (UTC)