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[edit] COI tag

While the creator of this page might have had a name similar to the name of the article, it is my belief that the further edits and revisions done by other users, and the verifying of data posted by the creator with various articles, IMDB submissions, etc. outweighs any possible conflict of interest. As such, I will suggest that the COI tag be removed. --Mr. Brown 04:14, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

I feel that the COI tag should be kept in place since the majority of the article as it appears now has changed little over time through multiple edits by other editors. To go further I would like to propose that the article be a candidate for deletion as well. The reasoning is after looking over the article, all the edits made to the article and the ensuing re-edits, there is just nothing noteworthy about the individual that would justify having an article. Warrior™ 03:32, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

As somebody who has personally verified the data and done edits to the page, I don't believe the COI tag needs to be kept in place. Although the user who created the article has a username similar to the actual article, I went and hunted down citations for the claims made in the article, and added additional claims. I think that would possibly supersede any sort of conflict of interest made by the creator of the article.
Additionally, as for nominating the article for deletion, Mr. Muldowney is notable to the Pittsburgh, PA area and to Slippery Rock University. The guests that he had on his show were notable to the Pittsburgh area, and in addition, some guests were nationally known and quite notable. Mr. Muldowney and his crew practically brought the SRU television station, WSRU, back from the dead with his show. --Mr. Brown 15:38, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
While Warrior™ believes Mr. Muldowney is of little note, the fact remains the subject of this wiki entry is a local celebrity in Pennsylvania who hosted his own talk show and interviewed a number of other local and national celebrities. Unless Warrior™ thinks Dennis "Mr. Belding" Haskins or Daisy Fuentes are also undeserving of a Wiki stub? -- Transmodiar 14:42, 5 November 2007 (UTC)


Here is why I feel that this article should be deleted based on the terms of Mr. Muldowney not being a notable person.
Case in point: The first sentence uses words like “iconic” and “award winning” when there is no way to verify these claims. The first citation provides a link to a story that should explain this cult following, when in reality the story explains nothing of the sort.
His job for FOX doing animatics is hardly worth mentioning due to the fact that other people in the same position do not have their own wiki pages. The blog/YouTube diaries are just blatent self promotion. In fact, out of all the things mentioned in the article, the only thing worth an entry is the appearance on The Tyra Banks Show, but seeing how the other person in the segment doesn’t have her own article for Wikipedia, there really isn’t much to write about.

I also found this interesting.

  1. A credible independent biography.

Warrior™ 04:52, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

While "iconic" and "award winning" may have been showing a potential conflict of interest, they have now been removed, and the article stands without them, although I am sure of the "awarding winning" part, and will be able to hunt down a source given time now that it has been brought to my attention.
As for sources, one is an IMDB source... ONE. Again, the article stands on its own if that ONE IMDB source were removed. Finally, as stated before, Mr. Muldowney is notable for his show, which had guests of regional and national significance, and singlehandedly bringing back WSRU-TV from the grave. That in itself should show a cult following - I don't know about you, but if I was somebody that was known to the entire state of Pennsylvania, I wouldn't just go appear on some funky-ass college show. --Mr. Brown 17:22, 5 November 2007 (UTC)


I also helped firm up this page with several sources that prove Muldowney's graduation from SRU and degree in Journalism. Also, I found sources that show Muldowney MCing events in the region, proving that he is a noteworthy person in the Western Pennsylvania area. - Zwillie 6 November 2007 (UTC)


Listen, I just don’t understand why this page exists when it is nothing more than a glorified resume that showcases a dead college career.

 : Why are you arguing what you don't understand? Transmodiar

While Dennis "Mr. Belding" Haskins and Daisy Fuentes are indeed notable Transmodiar, the subject of the article is not. Unless Transmodiar thinks every person who ever went to college and worked for a television show (including newspapers and radio) is worthy of desrving [sic] their own wiki stub.
Don't get me wrong, I am not here to tell you guys that your friend didn’t do these things in college, I am merely saying that what he did in college is not relevant to anyone other than the handful of friends who update this page.

 : The subject is not a friend, he is a colleague who has established his merit. Transmodiar

While I strongly dislike people that throw wiki policies in others faces to prove a point, I feel I must WP:LINKS WP:BIO http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:American_television_actor_stubsbr
As I said before the only thing worth mentioning is the Tyra Banks Show appearance, but that is streaching [sic] it. I cleaned the article up to reflect the subjects impact and relevancy since graduating college. Everything else however is blatent [sic] self promotion (even if done by editors other than the creator). Warrior™ 06:18, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Correct me if I am wrong, but erasing entire sections of a page without prior discussion is generally vandalism, correct? --32.132.95.103 13:43, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
That's actually incorrect - like most crimes, vandalism requires a mens rea (a/k/a "a guilty mind"). The edit must have been made delibertly with the purpose of vandalising. But since I don't agree with Warrior™'s assessment of this article, I'm not going to revert back to his edit.
Using what little I have actually learned in law school, I will drive a Mack truck through your argument that Muldowney is not notable, according to WP:BIO. WP:BIO#Additional criteria states the following:

A person is generally notable if they meet any of the following standards. Failure to meet these criteria is not conclusive proof that a subject should not be included; conversely, meeting one or more does not guarantee that a subject should be included. (emphasis added)

Muldowney meets a number of the criteria listed, including being subject to published multiple secondary independent sources, he has demonstratable name recognition in Western Pennsylvania, (and obviously elsewhere based on all of the people who have come to create and edit this article, not to mention the fact that he has been asked to MC several regional events in the past), has received significant local awards for the content on the show which he produced and hosted, and last, but certainly not least, a cult-following.
While the guidelines (which, I might add, is all WP:BIO is. This article meets all POLICY requirements) state, "Failure to meet these criteria is not conclusive proof that a subject should not be included; conversely, meeting one or more does not guarantee that a subject should be included," generally, we must err to the positive rather than the negative. --Mr. Brown 15:38, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
Finally, I should note that previous, User:Bearian, an administrator edited this article, and even THANKED ME for editing Ryan Muldowney and sourcing it. Obviously, that does show legitimacy to this article. --Mr. Brown 00:33, 7 November 2007 (UTC)