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... karate, while quite popular in the USSR in the 1970s, was outlawed by the Soviet government in 1984 but managed to survive in “underground” clubs until 1989 when the ban was lifted.

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[edit] Other RMAs

[edit] Slavyano-Goritskiya Borba (Russian Fist Fighting)

"slaviano-goritskaya bor'ba" (slavic-hill wrestling), created by A.Belov from Moscow.

may be spelled: Slaviano-Goretskaya Borba (StormWarrior style)

email: lvovgv@mail.ru

http://www.sgb.sc.ru -- This website appears to be down, but I found a sub-page at http://www.sgb.sc.ru/news.shtml Perhaps a russian speaker could email them?

[edit] Folk Styles

In Russia each separate ethnic group, and even each republic, remains devoted to its own form of fighting and martial heritage. Some of the martial arts from this region which have survived over the years, and continue to be practiced today, are: Tverian Buza; Pshkovian Skobar; Ukrainian Spas and Kazak; Byelorussian Asilki; and, Russian Slavyano-Gortskaya Sor'ba.

The Indo-Turkic region, also the origin of the Russian language, gives us the martial practices of Tuvinian Kuresh, Kara-Kyuresh and Lama-Kyuresh; Azeri Gulesh and Gurassau; Kirghiz Koresh and Oodarch; Kazakhi Kures; Chuvashi Akatuj; Uzbeki Kurashe; Tatar Kovreche; Yakut Khapsogay; and Turkic Gushti-Gin, Gurech and Khiva. The non-Turkic Caucasus area gave life to such fighting arts as Georgian Chidaoba and Ankoumara; Armenian Koch; Moldovan Trinte Kunedika and Drespta; Serbian Rvanje and Lithuanian Ristines. Finally, from the Mongols who dominated Russia from 1227 until 1480 A.D., we have Buryat Buhe Barlidean, and Northern Mongolian Bokh, Hara Moriton, Cilnem and Kalkha, as well as Barilda.

  • Forest Warrior
  • Kozachiy Sploch
  • "asilki" ("belorussian ninja")
  • 'wall fighting', also known as 'Cossack fisticuffs'
  • Medved= Slavic close-handed,combat,folk style.
  • many more...

[edit] Skobar

"Fist fighting"

"skobar'" from Sankt-Peterburg and its main "master" A.Gruntovskii

[edit] Buza

http://www.buza.ru

Its main master - G.Bazlov from Tver'

[edit] Lubki

  • Yevgeny Bagayev - President of the "Lyubki" Association
  • e-mail: mesyats@inbox.ru
  • Phone: (095) 533-10-79
  • website: www.Lubki.com (english)

[edit] Tropa "The Path"

An ancient system with not only physical contact but the use of psychic energy as well. (Compare to TAOISM "The Way" i.e., Kung Fu systems)

[edit] Medved

  • Slavic,close-handed combat,based on the studies of kozak culture and Slavic traditions
  • Its founder in Wisconsin,USA.

[edit] Russian martial art influences

  • Hsüan-yeh hired Cossack Bodyguards [1] [2]
  • Other militaries hired Russians. Probably because of their renown in combination with the difficulty in corrupting outsiders due to their being foreign to the local culture and language.

[edit] Other resources

[edit] NPOV tag

I thought it be best I explain the NPOV tag here. Quoting the article, "Because of the size and age of Russia, and its conflict-filled past, it has a significant martial history. Russia also has many different ethnic groups, most of which have their own traditional fighting methods."

How does Russia's long history effect martial arts. Many nations have longer histories and pratically no martial arts(Israel for example). There is a lot of other NPOV problems I had with the article. Falphin 00:41, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

  • What might be helpful is to draw a link to historical use of martialism (military and cultural) as well as various surviving cultural variations. There are some present-day arts from a few subcultures which are now fairly public.. that's a good start. Finding the historical links won't be possible by an english speaker, so I can't help there. I do know of a few people who have started delving into some old resources, most of which are from religious/historical texts and historians/clergy. -- Sy / (talk) 22:49, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

I still need some specifics to work with.. I'd like to get those tags off this page. =) -- Sy / (talk) 16:41, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Falphin has still not responded to my inquiry into their placing the tags. -- Sy / (talk) 11:28, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Sy, I like your enthusiasm, is this page on your watchlist. And how come Falphin has put the tag on this page but not bothered to get to you. By the way, I've seen that episode of Go Warrior. Give me a holler sometime. Dessydes 16:02, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

It's no big deal.. I do think that a lot of these related topics need better citation in general. I figured the NPOV tag would crop up here and there. Yes for sure it's watchlisted, although I'm not doing any significant research on these topics these days, I am quite interested. -- Sy / (talk) 22:42, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

I actually agree with the NPOV tag. This page does not cite any sources, and makes statements that, without any corroboration, sound unencyclopedic. This is especially true of the variety of overly generalized statements.

Take this one, for example: "Many different ethnic groups developed their own traditional fighting methods." Wich ethnic groups? What fighting methods? Documented where?

Same problems here: "Although there is much cultural influence, there are many notable Russian martial arts (RMA) [like what?]which are unique [according to whom?] , or have elements which are unique. Furthermore, although there are some trends across some Russian martial arts [according to whom?] , many of them [which ones?] have evolved in their own individual way[according to whom?] ."

The paragraph about the Battle of Kulikovo Pole is a bit random (why not mention any other battle?), and should be removed altogether, in my opinion, unless there is a source that specifies that there was a specific martial art used during that battle (which I doubt).

Please, keep in mind that Wikipedia does not allow original research. --CasualFighter 21:31, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RMA abbrev

Is the abbreviation (initialism) of RMA actually used enough to warrant listing it? RJFJR 21:02, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Every online circle I've seen has used the acronym. For example, check out martialtalk -- Sy / (talk) 00:21, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Soviet suppresion of culture

it is not entirely true. My parents know Russian history and culture very well, and they grew up in Russia/Belarus during the soviet era. Please rethink. I am not saying that it is entirely wrong that they did, I am just saying that it was not completely shoved out the window, and people must of continued to use martial arts if it is still prominent today. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Blackraven36 (talk • contribs) 18:10, 12 May 2007 (UTC).