Talk:Russian True Orthodox Church

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Contents 1 Apostolic succession 2 There are more than one 3 Move? 4 underground 5 This article needs to support the assertions it makes with citations from reliable sources

[edit] Apostolic succession

Speaking of which I have a question to the article's authors. In which way the link with UAOC implies the apostolic succession?

1. Correct me if I am wrong but the original UAOC's claim on the apostolic succession is rather strechted. If I remember correctly, the relics were used in the ordaining its first bishops, rather than the real bishops. Please elaborate.
2. If the succession is meant through the link of UOC's of Canada (or the USA) with the Ecumenical Patriarch that currently exists, it is again not clear how this affects the UAOC itself since both the UOCoC and UOCoUSA are separate from the UAOC churches. Finally, canonicity of UOCoC and oUSa is not universally recognized by the Eastern Orthodox Communion despite their acceptance by Constantinople. This is perhaps just a matter of time.

Please elaborate anyone and correct me if I made any mistakes. I hope this is more interesting and useful than the copyright issues. Thanks, --Irpen 05:20, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] There are more than one

The problem of the article, contrary to the AfD nomination, is not lack of notability but a confusion. There are several denominations in Russia under similar names.

The most well-known is Русская Истинно-Православная Церковь (Russian True Orthodox Church)[1] also known as a "Catacomb church.

Another one is Истинно-Православная Церковь — Московская Митрополия (True Orthodox Church - Moscow Metropolia) formely known as Российскaя Истинно-Православная Церковь (Russia's True Orthodox Church)[2]. The TOC-MM seems to be the subject of this article, if I am not mistaken. So, it probably needs to be moved.

More info (in Russian) can be found here. (Skip to the 'Русские "альтернативные" православные церкви' section). --Irpen 05:03, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Move?

I suggest moving it to True Orthodox Church - Moscow Metropolia as per above. The Russian True Orthodox Church is the name of a different nomination. Objections? --Irpen 19:35, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes! do it! You can find English about RTOC of Archbishop Tikhon at http://www.catacomb.org.ua/modules.php?name=Pages&go=page&pid=1099 Note that when you gave the brackets to 'Russian True Orthodox Church' it created a link back to this article. Richardson mcphillips1 04:21, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

I was thinking something similar. I'd seen a group called the True Russian Orthodox Church in the news.[3][4][5][6] However it's clearly a different group.--T. Anthony (talk) 20:27, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] underground

It does seem as though underground has evolved into a pun, as the news networks have been describing True_Russian_orthodox members in a cave, some caves, tunnels,....

This article needs grammar.

Thank You,

[[ hopiakuta Please do sign your signature on your message. ~~ Thank You. -]] 15:10, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] This article needs to support the assertions it makes with citations from reliable sources

As it is, this entire article appears to be original research. Frjohnwhiteford (talk) 12:13, 29 February 2008 (UTC)