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Because the festival at San Fermin is an instance of an encierro, I thought an entry of its own was deserved. Hence I have made a first stab at it. I hope others may also be able to add information about encierros held outside of Spain. Gsd2000 23:45, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] Literal meaning

We need a literal meaning for "el encierro." Badagnani 20:46, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

96.232.105.187 (talk) 00:07, 3 June 2008 (UTC)== the jumping into water ==

I once saw a picture where some people were jumping into a river or lake to escape some oncoming bulls. Is there an encierro where this frequently happens, and if so, where?

I would say that it is an extremely common occurrence. Most Spanish towns and villages have fountains in their centres and the centres are invariably where the bulls run. I've seen it meself... Gsd2000 00:15, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

You must be talking about the Bous a la mar of Denia. The objetive is to force the bull to jump into the sea (not a river nor a lake) without touching it.--Menah the Great 18:49, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

comment added by n96.232.105.187 (talk) 23:55, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] San Fermin vs Encierros in general / Injuries and Deaths

This article is about the activity that is the encierro. The bull runs in Pamplona may be the ones that non-Spanish hear about, but they are just one of hundreds that go on every year. I removed the "injuries and deaths" paragraph because it related to the San Fermin bull run (which already has these stats), and did not relate to total global deaths and injuries in bullruns worldwide. Gsd2000 03:01, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] el encierro

I believe el encierro means "the confinement" in spanish literally. there might be other ways also, and the phrase should be reworded to not say el encierro means running of the bulls. Propain 23:18, 16 November 2006 (UTC),

I belive this means the bull run. Theres other defantions as well but this somes it all up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Maria 96.232.105.187 (talk) 00:00, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Why do they do this?

I'm surprised that this page doesn't give a reason for this tradition given that it seems rather insane to me. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.103.127.178 (talk) 05:01, 5 January 2007 (UTC).

 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.232.105.187 (talk) 23:57, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] isn't this plagiarism??

text within this article is taken directly from http://www.sanfermin.com/2006/guia.php?lang=eng . sup with that? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.58.73.241 (talk) 01:25, 22 January 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Article name

This doesn't seem like the most appropriate name. On es.wikipedia.org, sure, but not here. Wikipedia:Naming conventions suggests using the most common name in in English. Using google, even the highly restrictive phrase (which would reject some results) "running of the bulls" yields 233,000 results in English. Using only the single term "Encierro" yields 53,100 results in English, though many of these, at least on the first page, appear to be mirror sites and/or include "bull run" or "running of the bulls".

Aside from google, the term is not common in English or even widely known. Washingtonpost.com shows 5 results, while "Running of the bulls" shows 74 results since 1987. The Chicago Sun-Times shows NO RESULTS for "Encierro" and 77 results (copy and paste the following uncooperative link: http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=CSTB&p_theme=cstb&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&s_dispstring=("Running%20of%20the%20bulls")%20AND%20date(all)&p_field_advanced-0=&p_text_advanced-0=("Running%20of%20the%20bulls")&xcal_numdocs=20&p_perpage=10&p_sort=_rank_:D&xcal_ranksort=4&xcal_useweights=yes ) for "Running of the Bulls".

Most people in the English-speaking world do not likely even know the term "El Encierro", and certainly very few would search for that term on Wikipedia. Even the external links on this page primarily say "Running of the Bulls". Since this article does not refer to one specific event, but to a country-wide phenomenon, the most common name in English should be used. Ufwuct 23:05, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

There are those who contend that the title, "Running of the bulls" is a misnomer with the emphasis improperly placed on the minority animal. Perhaps this event and others like it would be more appropriately named as, "Running of the fools".Windmaker2 16:11, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Animal rights concerns / controversy

I miss a section regarding animal rights concerns; I'm not an expert on this issue (hence I feel I can not add it myself) yet I've heard stories about 'preparation of the bulls' to include covering their eyes with vaseline and dehydrating them for several days to ensure a safer trip for locals and the many tourists that are participating in these events. I'm unable to assess whether this is animal-rights propaganda or a true present day practise. 24.12.179.20 16:49, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

I have heard similar stories but a quick web search didn't turn up any documentation. I also came across claims of electric shocks and drugs being used. I think if these can be documented that it should be included, but I'm not sure animal rights concerns would be the right heading since I think animal rights view would just be to not use the bulls. Maybe Animal Welfare Concerns would be an OK sub-head? If I find documentation, I'll post the proposed change here first for review.Bob98133 19:15, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Examples

Is the example regarding a bull being floated along and then killed with lances relevant? Earlier in the article, it is mentioned that any violence is forbidden, so killing with lances is bull-fighting, not bull-running. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.67.252.128 (talk) 15:50, 6 May 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Popular Culture

Shouldn't there be a section of references to this insane activity in popular culture, such as the commercial that Nike did with the members of the Denver Broncos' offensive line getting into a three point stance and then taking the bulls head on?

It looks like the "In Other Media" section is going to be a magnet for junk. While the Hemmingway novels and the Louis Lumiere movie make sense to include, a whole bunch of references to Family Guy or Jackass in which a bull run, or something like it, may have appeared is the sort of thing we'll pull later, so why not ditch those almost irrelevant entries now? Bob98133 (talk) 14:02, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] when was the first running of the bulls?

Does anyone know?