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The list of DS Games compatible with the rumble pak should stay, mainly because there are so few out there. I personally had a problem finding the list until I looked through the history to find out that someone had just recently deleted it. If it doesn't deserve to be on the same page as the other Rumble paks, I would say it deserves a page of its own. I don't have an opinion on the PS2 list, however I think that whoever removed the list from that one felt that it was too large for the page, as several games on PS2 support rumble (each game I own does, and I have about 25 games). Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.96.157.129 (talk) 06:16, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

I agree completely. The list is useful and relevant information and belongs here or in a separate page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.68.141.27 (talk) 05:57, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

The phrase "Nintendo originating technology" is a bit ambiguous. Does it mean that Nintendo invented the technology or Nintendo brought the technology to the game console market?

It seems inaccurate to me. Force feedback existed before the Rumble Pak, and implying that the Rumble Pak's fairly crude vibration system is the technology that current controllers use is deceptive. 68.47.234.131 02:42, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Additonally, what person invented the technology of force feeback? That bit of information might be useful here.

There was a mod that you could do on the official Nintendo Rumble Pak, where by moving one resistor on the circuit board it would nolonger require (or use batteries). I don't have any pictures however. Could someone find some pictures and add this to the article? JP Godfrey 08:33, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Is anyone able to verify the timeline between the release of the Rumble Pack and Sony's original Dual Analog controller? As I recall (and as is stated in Wikipedia's own article on this), the Dual Analog also had a vibration feedback feature, but the article does not say when this controller hit the market.

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[edit] Rumble Feature Lawsuit?

One of of my friends says that the rumble feature was originally devoloped for Nintendo by a company (don't know which one). The technology was then used by Sony & Microsoft illegely. The Company then sued Sony and Microsoft over using their technology unlicensedly. Microsoft decided to pay the company royalties but Sony has countered sued the company saying they had legally obtained the technology. What I'm wondering is "Is this story even true?" --Greyhead 15:36, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

  • I just looked it up. It seems that sony is in a lawsuit but I'm not so sure about the history of this event though see. http://www.gamespot.com/news/6145853.html --Greyhead 20:32, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
  • See Immersion Corporation. I was reading about that very incident and was trying to figure out why Nintendo wasn't involved when I got to this article. I'm still not sure why, but your story that Nintendo had a license from Immersion makes sense. -VJ 01:56, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
Nintendo have only ever used single-source rumble (one motor with one weight). Sony and then Microsoft use two-source vibrations, and it appears that Immersion have a patent that covers use of multiple vibration sources to build up a force-feedback "image". So they were infringing, Nintendo weren't. Interestingly Sony actually own a licence for the two-point rumble they used. Sony's patent lawyers discovered that Logitech had a patent which covered the technology, which they licenced in 1998 as they brought the controllers on the market. At that time Immersion had invented that sort of technology (they came up with it back in 1996, I think) but hadn't patented it. So when they patented the technology in 2002/3, Sony had retroactively infringed on their invention. Of course, in the European and Japanese patent systems, you're only covered from the date your invention was patented. Sockatume 19:42, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
Ah, scratch that, it seems that Immersion's patents were continuations of one going back to 1995, no less. So Sony's patent lawyers must've managed to miss it, presumably upon spotting the Logitech one (which is more obviously and specifically referring to game controllers). Sockatume 19:47, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The many 'citation required' things added

Pagrashtak, I removed a few of your [citation needed] things from the article. You put the fact thing in where some things are obvious. Like where someone states that it was released in April 1997 in the US, that's when Star Fox was released in the US which was the only way the Rumble Pak was introduced for the N64. Please just post here first before adding so many fact tags. Oh and when you added a bunch of those it screwed up the layout. Check the history to see what I mean. --Thaddius 01:05, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

The Star Fox 64 article says that it was released in the US in May 1997, and Moby Games says June 1997. You can't claim a statement is obvious with so much contradiction, thus the citation request. I see no problem with the layout in the history, in either Firefox or IE. Of course, the best solution would be to add actual references to the article. Pagrashtak 04:20, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
You left many sections
looking  seperated like this after your edits.
As for the game's release date, it was released in April of '97 in Japan according to gamefaqs. Is that a reliable enough source for you? I don't know how much credibility people give to that site. Most of your other {{Fact}} tags were useless, adding a fact thing to a comment that a third part rumble pak included a save card as well? Or that with said devince one didn't need to switch from rumble to memory pak? Do these really need to have a sources? --Thaddius 14:18, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, but once again I do not see any unformatted monospaced text as you indicate, in either Firefox or IE. You don't think that the claim that a third-party accessory including a save card was released needs a citation? Surely you're not arguing that it's an "obvious" fact. Pagrashtak 05:16, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
It's not an obvious fact, but how many articles have you found online that talk about said devices? They do exist (I can vouch for that) and are certainly relevant, but how can you possibly expect such a thing to be sourced? Also you added two {{Fact}} tags to a scentence describing them: one stating that they exist, and another stating that there was no need to switch between a rumble pak and the save card. Some of your fact tags just seems a little redundant. As for the spacing errors, maybe firefox made a mistake when loading the page for me cause they're still there in your edit. Just checked it with my IE and they're there too. Regardless, they're fixed in the new edit so it's not a problem. --Thaddius 15:38, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
Added some sources for you. Doesn't that look all pretty with [1] and [2] things everywhere? Anywho, the gamefaqs links that refer to the rumble functionality of wave race and mario 64 go right to the gamefaqs main page. I don't know how to fix them to go to the actual page their linked to so if you wouldn't mind doing that, that would be awsome. --Thaddius 16:00, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the sources; I've formatted them. I'm not sure why you were fighting references. You keep referring to me as the "fact-happy user", but it's not me, it's Wikipedia. Pagrashtak 01:03, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
I'm not fighting sources. I added sources where they were necessary and removed ones that I felt were redundant. I didn't mean to convey that this was a grave matter of the utmost importance. No matter, I removed the fact things that were uneccesary and added sources to those that needed them. My main reason for 'calling you out' as it were, was to adress the formatting thing, which seems to either have been an error on my part, or fixed so it's no big deal. Order is once again been restored to Wikipedia by two vigilant users. --Thaddius 14:34, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] DS Pak pics

I will try to add a PD pic of the original pak for DS, but I'm wondering if there's a user out there who has a PD pic of the Lite version? --Thaddius 14:40, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

It would be great if someone has both and can take a picture of them together. Pagrashtak 04:42, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
The only image I was able to find with both looks like a promotional one found here. --Thaddius 14:18, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, it's definitely edited from the pics in the online store. Slightly blown up. Not actually an accurate size comparison, though. Dancter 14:37, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
I took a pic of my phat one and put it up. --Thaddius 14:55, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

I managed to get a lite version, took a while to find one, so I took a pic and put it up. It doesn't seem to have been made by Nintendo, but I'm sure it'll suffice for now. --Thaddius 03:34, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hardware template

Any way to make it display both DS accesories and N64 accesories without duplicating the template? Tom Temprotran 20:06, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't think so. Unless you made a 'Rumble Pak' templte that included both. --Thaddius 15:43, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fictional Game?

I'm pretty sure Vaginal Sex with Whores 2 is not a game, and is good subject for deletion, but I'm not sure. Could someone check? Because I don't think that belongs on a Nintendo page.

It was vandalism. Andre (talk) 21:48, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Health concerns?

Is this section really warranted?
Let's just break it down here:
It concerns itself with a disorder that results from very heavy machinery vibrating the hands and arms. In the case of jackhammers, and similarly large devices, it's easy to see where a problem could arise. On the other hand, it's very much hard to believe that very small vibrating devices could ever reproduce a similar effect; at the very least, it's peculiar to think that something that doesn't even move the arms could possibly cause "hand-arm vibration syndrome".
The only suspected case of it ever arising from a game controller dealt with the original sony playstation. According to wikipedia, the playstation sold 102.49 million units. Now, granted, it's safe to assume that not every owner of those systems picked up dualshock controllers, so let's also consider the 111.25 million PS2's as well... Not to mention the fact that at least a few of them had at least two controllers... I think it's ludicrously underestimating to guess at 150 million dualshock (or dualshock 2) controllers in use.
And yet, only one suspected case of this disorder... Which leaves two possibilities: 1) It wasn't caused by the controller, in which case it wouldn't belong. 2) It was caused by the controller, but that means that, at most, one in 150 million will ever develop it; making it insanely non-notable.
And yet, there's more!
The only single suspected case of the disorder (linked to a game controller) was linked to the Sony PlayStation, which used two vibration mechanisms. The Rumble Pak only uses one. As such, whatever piddly risk might be associated with a dualshock controller... there's at best half that much associated with a rumble pak.
Seeing my point here?
And notice that the dualshock article doesn't even mention the "risk" of the vibration feature.
(Sorry to make this so long; I just wanted to cover everything all at once)
So, what do you think? Does it really need to stay, considering a general lack of scientific backup, and extremely shakey notability? Bladestorm 15:37, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

It's been covered in the press to a notable degree, and is mentioned as a concern in health advice booklets with consoles, so I believe it should be included. It needs more references, though. Sockatume 01:19, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
Ooookay... months later, and still no better sources. Still just a single suspected case, and even then, for a playstation controller (which had two motors, not one). If somebody doesn't cite this soon, I'm just going to remove it. Bladestorm 20:20, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
I removed it for you. If someone wants to readd the section they must have verifiable sources. --Thaddius 01:31, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sixth and seventh generation mention

In the section titled 'Nintendo 64' there is mention to the use of vibration in the sixth generation and how in the seventh every except the PS3 has it. This is rather... useless as it has nothing to do with the Nintendo 64s rumble pak so I have therefore removed it. --Thaddius 02:02, 25 February 2007 (UTC

[edit] Gameboy Rumble Pak

If memory serves, there was a rumble pak for Gameboy, although this might have been limited to certain games.

Games like Pokemon Pinball were 'rumble carts' that required a AAA battery (I believe) but, as you say, they were limited to the cart that the rumble motor was attached to. I believe this does deserve mention though, and Ill throw in something about it later, unless someone beats me to it. --Thaddius 16:04, 5 July 2007 (UTC)


I was recently trying to look up what gameboy games had rumble paks, not a easy thing to research. this is what I've found so far Drill Dozer was the only one for Gameboy Advance. ALl the games I know of; 10 PIN BOWLING, Drill Dozer, Missle Command, NASCAR Challenge, Pokémon Pinball, Polaris SnoCross, Ready 2 Rumble Boxing, Star Wars Episode 1 Racer, Test Drive Off-Road 3, Tonka Raceway, Top Gear Pocket, Zebco Fishing. --Taipion —Preceding unsigned comment added by Taipion (talk • contribs) 09:28, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] DS Download play

Is it true that the DS Rumble pak works in Single Card Download play?

Example of what I mean: If my friend had a Rumble-enabled game and we are playing multiplayer, and my DS has a Rumble Pak (but no game card) in, will my DS's Rumble Pak work? If so, it might deserve a mention in the article --Rabin 16:37, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Why is this only about Nintendo?

As far as I can see, there is no article about rumble technology in general, so why is there an article about one example of rumble technology? There's much more than Nintendo's rumble technology. - A Link to the Past (talk) 17:14, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

RE:
Nintendo has always called their Rumbling devices something along the lines of "Rumble Pak" - notice the spelling of pack. Also, no other console manufacturer has add-ons that support rumble - most (if not all) are built into the controller itself. Nintendo used to offer the rumbling devices as a separate add on, however with the latest controllers for Wii, Gamecube, etc they are built in. Samad64 16:25, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
That is hardly a reason. Why is there only one article for one device, but no single article for any other device or even the concept of rumble itself? - A Link to the Past (talk) 18:59, 6 October 2007 (UTC)