Talk:Rules of basketball

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To-do list for Rules of basketball: edit · history · watch · refresh
  • Rewrite timeline as paragraphs (yay!)
  • Summarise and categorise current rules
    • Check for amount of overlap with main article Basketball (There will inevitably be some overlap)
  • Write procedure for rule changes(?)
  • Uniforms and their standardisation (eg numbering must be 4-15 in some comps etc.)?
  • Possibly will need to make decision as to whether to have a "US" page and an "International" page which will clarify the different rule sets?
  • Need to check (& resolve) the overlap between the categories of: Basketball rules and Basketball terminology

Anything else, please add to the list.

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[edit] Creation of page

I've created this page for the purpose of finding a place for the timeline of the evolution of the rule of basketball. Having created this page, it also presents a place to explain the rules in more detail, and provide an account of its history. This is an encyclopedia, so a written account would serve better than a timeline, even if a timeline would prove interesting in another context.

I'll get to it myself if I find time. If anyone could help start the article, or to write the timeline as paragraphs, then that would be great. Thanks. Neonumbers 11:21, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Hey, it looks good. You'll probably want to add in when the three-point shot was first introduced (I believe it was 1978 for the NBA, most high schools had it by the mid-1980s, and college not until 1986). [[Briguy52748 17:37, 10 July 2005 (UTC)]].
There are actually a lot of rule changes that aren't on the list - I didn't write the timeline, I just moved it here from Basketball because I found that article a rather inappropriate place for it. If you get time to expand this page, that'd be great... I will when I get the chance (which, as you can tell because I made the page in March, isn't very often.) Neonumbers 09:07, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Original rules

The original rules are available from (I'm sure there are other places) here. Alphax τεχ 12:07, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Yep, I've seen loads of places, but I've resisted a strong temptation to copy it out word for word, because of copyright issues. It would seem logical that something like this isn't subject to copyright, because it's quoted so frequently, but I don't know — I'd be more than happy to see the original rules on this page if that's possible, to say the least. Neonumbers 05:33, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
The original rules cannot be subject to copyright anymore: they date to 1895! WLior 00:11, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
Brilliant! (If that's true,) that means they can be put on the page. I was wondering how something like that could be copyrighted... every website I've seen that has those has them exactly the same but also has a copyright notice which is probably for their own content rather than this but I don't know much about copyright. I'll get to it (sticking those rules on the page) some time, or someone else can. Neonumbers 10:49, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
I've been brave and copied the original rules from this page on www.hoophall.com. As above, I believe that they cannot be subject to copyright, as the document dates to 1895 and is readily found on countless websites, but if you have reservations, feel free to delete the material.
If you have a better understanding of copyright laws when it comes to documents like this one, please do me the favour of explaining them here. Neonumbers 06:19, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism

Whenever I come back to this page it seems someone has vandalized the original rules. I'm getting tired of fixing them -- can we get just that part protected somehow? It's not like the original rules need to be updated from time to time? WLior 22:42, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] How many original rules?

I'm confused. The article states "When James Naismith invented basketball, he devised 18 rules," the list includes 14 rules, and the reference title is "Hoophall History Page - The Original 13 Rules." -Bob 199.67.138.84 (talk) 15:12, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

See my discussion of vandalism above. There were indeed 13 rules. WLior (talk) 05:49, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Restricted Area Arc

An important rule (or clarification of existing charge/block rule) is the new restricted area arc. I could not find the year it was introduced in the NBA but it seems to be in the NCAA in 2004-2005 as a 2 foot arc. NCAA increased to 3 feet arc for 2005-2006 season and in the NBA its a 4 foot arc.

The NBA rule:

"An offensive foul should never be called if the contact is with a secondary defensive player who has established a defensive position within a designated "restricted area" near the basket for the purpose of drawing an offensive foul. The restricted area for this purpose is the area bounded by an arc with a 4-foot radius measured from the middle of the basket."

References:

--MarsRover 22:39, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Basket Height?

I couldn't find anywhere in this article that had the official height of the hoop. Could someone maybe add that information? – Lordmontu (talk) • (contribs) 21:27, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Ditto. I came here to find out the height at which I need to put the basket for my kids and can't find it. --WhiteEcho (talk) 20:46, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rules changelog

Hi everyone, the section on the initial rules by James Naismith does not state which of these, if any, are still in place. In fact, the rest of the article cites a couple of extensions/changes to these rules---so I think it would be useful if there was a paragraph in the J.N. section, or even a separate section of its own, that would state (perhaps in bulletpoints) how the rules of Basketball have changed since the early days. I'm sorry, but I myself am not proficient enough to write that, so I'm asking you guys. I think it would add a lot to the article. Duagloth 22:08, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

basket ball is a really cool sport i think there should have less rules thoug —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.2.136.192 (talk) 19:14, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Dribbling

The following question may be answered by the fact that the "original rules" apparently get edited frequently in this article. (For example, currently there are 13 original rules listed while at the same time the associated footnote references the "12 rules of basketball".) Or, it could be my lack of understanding the subtleties of the rules, but here goes: This article says the game was invented in 1893. It says when James Naismith invented basketball, he devised 13 rules. It lists rule #3 as follows: "A player cannot run with the ball. The player must throw it from the spot on which he catches it, or dribble the ball with one hand while they are running, allowances to be made for a man who catches the ball when running if he tries to stop." But then in a later paragraph, the following is stated: "Dribbling was not part of the original game, but was introduced in 1901." So, first the article appears to state that in 1893 when James Naismith invented basketball he conceived of a rule #3 that specifically references the ability to dribble the ball with one hand (actually uses the verbiage 'dribble'), but 'dribbling was not part of the original game'. Perhaps the point here is that Naismith might have stated it was allowed, but in common practice no one actually did it until 1901? EricTN (talk) 07:51, 28 January 2008 (UTC)