Talk:Rule of tincture
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I notice the arms of Jean Le Viste, sponsor of The Lady and the Unicorn, violate this rule. The blazon is "gules on a bend azure three crescents argent". —Ashley Y 01:56, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Flags and the Rule
According to the article the flag of Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach was changed because of violation of this Rule, presumably because it put black on green (colour on colour).
However, when I added the flags of Germany (black on red) and the U.S (red on blue) here, they were removed for not violating the Rule.
So presumably bands and corners are seen as divisions of the field? In that case the flag of Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach didn't violate the Rule either. Shinobu 12:45, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
- In the case of the US flag, the blue (color) canton is placed on a striped field that is half metal and half color. It is therefore not an example of color on color.
- A similar situation exists for the German flag, though it is harder to see. The German flag may be thought of as having an underlying field that if half black (on top) and half yellow (on bottom). Over this, a red fess has been added. Again, since the underlying field is half-color and half-metal, the result is not a violation of the color of tincture. See Heim's book for additional examples and discussion. --EncycloPetey 13:26, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
@The German flag may be thought of as having an underlying field that if half black (on top) and half yellow (on bottom).: The same could have been said for the SWE-flag too - yet it was changed. The exact history of the German flag is covered in nebulae - for all practical purposes however, the German flag consists of three equal bands. Shinobu 16:01, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
Recently someone made some edits with the comment "flags have never been under the rule". Given the examples above, that seems extremely likely. Still, that is not the impression the article currently gives. It may be just me, but some more work is necessary. Shinobu 17:33, 18 March 2006 (UTC) follow link to crest
What about the flag of Bangladesh? Red disk on a green field. --~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.92.52.45 (talk) 03:50, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Emblem of Albania
According to Sable (heraldry), sable is a fur in Albania rather than a colour. Either that page or this would therefore seem to be in error... --Sabik 14:58, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
- The difference is in whether you are treating the issue from an English/French view (in which case sable is a color) or a central European perspective (where sable sometimes functions as a fur/natural tincture). Each page is correct from its own point of view. --EncycloPetey 01:32, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
- I've never seen a cite on this bizarre theory that is sometimes expressed. The name of sable doesn't mean it's a fur. --Daniel C. Boyer 13:32, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Examples
I was asked to explain my edit [1], which was soon after reverted [2]. I believe that in the Gallery there should be the Coat of Arms of Jerusalem, as it is discussed in the text as one of the most famous examples. I also removed the Pan-African flag and the Coat of Arms of Samogitia, as it is simpler to have one example of both colour on colour and metal on metal, however they could both stay if needed. The only other change was to replace the Coat of arms of Hungary with the SVG version, which I saw as non-controversial. If anyone has any problems with this, please discuss. --23230 talk 09:35, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
- So you believe the current well-documented examples should be removed in favor of your example? I disagree. Showing two examples only does not demonstrate the exceptions as well as four or even five examples would do. Removing the only flag example also biases an article that currently is used by both the heraldry and vexillology articles. --EncycloPetey (talk) 13:46, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
