Talk:Ruggero Santilli

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DEDICATED TO WIKIPEDIA HISTORIANS et Al !!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaU9DpSGSg4

Its a human tragedy that the IMMENSE UNIQUE contributions to Science by Santillis ....( and I am not alone to think so ) are CONTAMINATED BY LIES !!! and this is why I dedicate this song to you all at WIKIPEDIA !!!???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaU9DpSGSg4 81.129.198.248 08:05, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

PS: See www.santilli-galilei.com and www.santilli-einstein.com 81.129.198.248 08:05, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Nobel nomination

Proof that Magnecules do exist because Santilli has build a machine I Invite WIKIPEDIA TO SEND WITTEN AT MY EXPENSE TO CERTIFY SANTILLIS GREAT ARCHIVEMENTS

(WO/2005/076767) APPARATUS AND METHOD FOR PRODUCTION OF MAGNECULES FROM WATERBiblio. Data Description Claims National PhaseNoticesDocuments Latest bibliographic data on file with the International Bureau

Publication Number: WO/2005/076767 International Application No.: PCT/US2004/012498 Publication Date: 25.08.2005 International Filing Date: 21.04.2004 Chapter 2 Demand Filed: 17.08.2005

Int. Class.: C25B 1/00 (2006.01) Applicants: KLEIN, Dennis, J. [US/US]; 66 Pellican Place, Belleair, FL 33756-1568 (US). SANTILLI, Ruggero, Maria [US/US]; 90 Eastwinds Court, Palm Harbor, FL 34683 (US) (US Only). Inventors: KLEIN, Dennis, J. [US/US]; 66 Pellican Place, Belleair, FL 33756-1568 (US).

SANTILLI, Ruggero, Maria [US/US]; 90 Eastwinds Court, Palm Harbor, FL 34683 (US).

Agent: LAPOINTE, Dennis, G.; Lapointe Law Group, PL, P.O. Box 1294, Tarpon Springs, FL 34688-1294 (US). Priority Data: 10/760,336 20.01.2004 US

Title: APPARATUS AND METHOD FOR PRODUCTION OF MAGNECULES FROM WATER

Abstract: An electrolyzer which decomposes distilled water into a new fuel composed of hydrogen, oxygen and their molecular and magnecular bonds, called HHO. The electrolyzer can be used to provide the new combustible gas as an additive to combustion engine fuels or in flame or other generating equipment such as torches and welders. The new combustible gas is comprised of clusters of hydrogen and oxygen atoms structured according to a general formula HmOn wherein m and n have null or positive integer values with the exception that m and n can not be 0 at the same time, and wherein said combustible gas has a varying energy content depending on its use.

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  • Regarding the Nobel nomination for chemistry, it is apparently quite difficult to know about nominations[1] but the article has a source. More investigation is reqd. John Vandenberg 07:00, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
  • REPLY TO JOHN Vandenbergh by Francesco Da Cosenza
Copies of the letters send to the so called "NOBEL" !! board........ are in good office !! dozens of the said letters are from outstanding living scientists !!! all can be shown on request !!! But if Santilli was to get the Nobel fo Physics Chemistry Math, Peace etc etc the world of History and fairytales would come to an end and we would have start rewriting the so called " HISTORY OF OUR WORLD " !!! the said all being VIRTUAL at the moment !! francesco Fucilla
  • PS: does Mr Vandenbergh know how to win the NOBEL !!?? Indeed .....does Mr Vanderbergh have any ideas how its won !!! but if I was to open my mouth,,,,,,,,,,,,i would be sacrified on the stake like my country fellow man BRUNO GIORDANO !!!
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.151.66.41 (talk • contribs) 21:42, 8 September 2007
Hi, please understand that I have no doubt that you know of letters that were sent to the Nobel foundation recommending that Santilli should receive a Nobel prize. However the Nobel foundation does not provide details on how they short listed people for each prize each year. As a result, even if someone was to provide very clear evidence of a Nobel "nomination", the general public has no idea whether that candidate's nomination was discarded or taken seriously by the Nobel foundation. However, if you know of any published discussion about the Santilli nomination, please let us know about it. John Vandenberg 21:59, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

eheheheheh to play the game you must know how to play the Game SIRS !! You called Santilli a PSEUDOSCIENTIST WITHOUT REMOVING THAT............"Professor of Physics at Boston University, teaching physics and mathematics, conducted research for the United States Air Force. visiting scholar at the Institute for Theoretical Physics of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. and research at Harvard University !!! " how do all of these institutes survive the shame !!?? eheheheheh Here my dear BRUTUS we have by your own hand the demise of Boston University Dept of Physics and Mathematics The united staTE AIR fORCES and intelligence, The demise of the Massachuset Institute of Technology The demise of Boston University, the demise of the United States Air Force and the Institute for Theoretical Physics of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. and finally the demise of Harvard University !!!! ................inversely proportional stands the truth !! that this man is truly persecuted as he has stated over and over again !! What motive can anyone have ( aside from someone with a deep hatred toward the geniality of this man ) to writ such a pathetic word on his profile !!?? But the same goes for MEUCCI the father of Telephone, The poor Cristoforo Colombo that has lost the way to his beloved Genoa together with his brothers AND ON AND ON AND ON !!! When Hadronic Mechanic will be finally recognised..........Santilli will become rudy SaintHill Boarn in Boston or Paris from polish Parents !! or he will disappear and his work dilute and attributed to others and no one will ever know he ever existed !! eheheheheheheh But if i was to open my mouth i would be standing on trial waiting execution !!! 86.133.114.47 21:14, 12 September 2007 (UTC)


What santilli needs in order to see justice is to travel faster than light, get to marry Mrs Nobel, produce another Alfred Nobel, explain to him what is going on then return with nobel himself before the committee so that both Santilli and his Son Alfred can change the prevailing saga and get Santilli to get a noble price then the 2 can travel back before Santilli meet Alfred mother so that Alfred his Son can Marry His mother in the twighlight Zone and we all live happily everAFTER !!! THIS IS PSEUDOSCIENCE AT HIS BEST !!! eheheheh what a comedy !! But i shall enter the 11d where all of the possibilities are there including me being Alfred Nobel in one of them endless realities and do justice to Santilli !!! EHEHEHEHEH I was whatching a program were they were interviewing the fathers of the so called new science and i could not believe the levels of MADDNESS !!! I studied the facial movements of them Physicists and the motions of the iris and i can absolutely state that they belong to an assilum !! to say the list !! as a result I have produced the mother of all satires !!! BUT DO NOT BELIEVE A WORD I SAY COLLECT THEM I PAY ALL OF THE EXPENSES INCLUDING DINNER AND I WILL FIND THEM GUILTY AS CHARGED !! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.133.114.47 (talk) 16:20, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

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  • From francesco Fucilla to Spacepotato
Why dont you write to me or call me and have a discussion on Quantum and relativistic physics, chemistry, Biology, economics, cosmology, law, philosophy etc etc !!?? your crusade toward keeping the people at large in the dark, can only be compared to middle ages incquisition !! Shame on you !! the data I am supplying on Santilli ITS ALL TRUE !!! YOU KNOW IT !! If you are a man...............enter into an open discussion with me on line !!! We will then discover who is telling the truth and who is supplying false informations !!
—Preceding unsigned comment added by Fucilla francesco (talk • contribs) 09:15, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Dear Space Potato What do u mean by " UNSIGNED " !!?? if I am not using the entry correctly you can contact me on 07894262399 or you can email me @ fucilla@electrosilicagroup.com or anthony.fucilla@btinternet.com or you may write to me at 14 Verulam avenue Purley Surrey CR8 3NQ as u can see I do not hide "UNLIKE YOU MR POTATO " !!!
PS: The Estonia Academy of Sciences has placed Ruggero Maria Santilli among the most illustrious applied mathematicians of all times jointly with Newton, Weyl, Hamilton, Gauss, poincare, Euler, Archimedes, Euclid, and Liebniz.
Honors Santilli has received GOLD MEDALS for his achievements in Science and various similar honors from scientific academies worldwide. He has been recommended for the NOBEL PRIZE IN PHYSICS by numerous scholars around the world since 1985 for his construction of Hadronic mechanics and other scientific contributions, and he has been recently recommended by many scholars around the world to be assigned the NOBEL PRIZE IN CHEMISTRY for his construction of Hadronic chemistry and his discovery of the new chemical species of magnecules.
Santilli has developed novel fuels, named MagneGas and MagneHydrogen.[2][3][4][5] These fuels are composed of magnecules, which are atoms and molecules bonded by "toroidal polarization of the orbits of [at least] the valence electrons."[6][7][8] ALL TRUE  !!! but if Santillis name was " WITTEN " or " einstein " then, we know that he would have received 12 Nobels uncondicionally and statues erected allover the wester world and beyond AND BE KNOWN AS THE GREATEST SCIENTIST IN HISTORY !!! Newton did not do half of what Santilli has done let alone Einstein that has done nothing !! Newton stole the Calculus from liebnitz, and sat on Galileo shadow !! not to mention that his work on Optics was done in Albazra 900 years before him !!! eheheheheh read my books and you will open your eyes to the truth !!
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.151.66.41 (talk) 10:00, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
When you leave messages on talk pages, you should sign them by adding a series of 4 tildes, ~~~~, to the end of your message. They will be automatically replaced with your name and the date and time. Spacepotato 16:14, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
  • REPLY
Who are you !!?? 86.151.66.41 23:30, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
  • What possible reasons can there be for you to place so much effort in telling lies and keep changing santillis TRUE story !!!!???? Every single data supplied by me its true, instead of changing the true story of Santilli why dont you list WHAT ITS WRONG WITH THE DATA SUPPLIED BY ME !!??~ what EVIL Drives you !! Francesco Fucilla
Signor Fucilla, it is a regrettable fact that ascertaining the truth is very difficult. You may say that Santilli is one of the greatest scientists of all time, but other people may differ violently with this, and there will be no clear way of settling the argument. Because of this, the policy on Wikipedia is to stop short of the truth and restrain ourselves to restating the world's opinion in an unbiased manner, as verified by reputable sources, and, unfortunately, many pieces of your edits fail to meet these criteria. For example, you cite no source for the claim (which, frankly, I am skeptical of) that the Estonian Academy of Sciences has called Santilli one of the "most illustrious applied mathematicians of all time". Spacepotato 18:32, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

dear Mr Space Potato ok I understand that I will see no justice, Unfortunately when I Lecture to Scientists Politicians Lawyers, Economists ( ON A DAILY ROUTINE AND I CAN SEND YOU ALL OF THE REFERENCES YOU MAY REQUIRE to that effect ) i do so face to face !!! Unfortunately your defence falls short of the required explanations as to why this Great Giant of Science cannot be vindicated by his fellow scientists !! Your reply to me can be defined as a love letter, because it has no solid foundations !!! You need to provide facts to me not hear say !!! such as " OTHER PEOPLE MAY DIFFER " !!! lets us talk about the impact of Santillis mathematics to SCIENCE..........and give me evidence that Santillis contribution to Mathematical sciences its less than Poincare or Lie or anyone for that matter !! then my dear friend I would offer my apology and walk away !! this is what I do daily !! for example few eminent Geoscientist have recently proposed to me a new Geophysical project prepared over many months of hard work, it took me 10 minutes to bin it and give the evidence for the WHY it had to be binned !! THIS IS SCIENCE !! This is how you or Mr witten has to talk to me !! You must enter into a discussion on Relativity and I will do what I always do Destroy the argument with FACTS !!! We indeed in the dark ages !! This is the reason why I wrote my universal satires that emberace all of Human knowledge !! Let Mr Witten do half of that !! then we talk !! But please do not be;lieve a word can and meet me, so that you will never doubt !!! 86.151.66.41 21:08, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia will record whatever information is published in conventional sources such as journals, newspapers and books. As a result, sometimes the information is not up to date. This is especially true for new scientific theories, because Wikipedia needs to wait for critical review to occur. Are there any errors in this Wikipedia biography? John Vandenberg 22:12, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

dear Space Potato I have received written confirmations by the Estonian Academy of Science Secretary that CLEAR STATES THAT THE INSTITUTE OF PHYSICS IN ESTONIA has issued the document produced by SAntilli !! From my conversations and cross examination of the people at the accademy........I AM SATISFIED that not only he was given the honors but that when the Great maN PRODUCED THE DOCUMENT TO his enemies " ......the dark forces that decide who has to get what.........."THEY" ( in my interpretation as a result to my cross examination ) decided to give the academy an offer they couldnt refuse and the saga goes on " !!!! dURING MY FIRST CALLS TO THE ACADEMY THERE WAS TURMOIL AND HE TOOK THEM 30 HRS TO COME UP WITH A FAIRYTALE !! aT FIRST THEY WERE RELUCTANT EVEN TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE DOCUMENT LISTED BY sANTILLI IN HIS cv WAS REAL, WHEN i TOLD THEM i WOULD CALL THEM IN TO TESTIFY TO THAT EFFECT...............THEY TOLD ME THAT THE DOCUMENT IS REAL !!! bUT LET US NO GO FURTHER AND GET ME THE BEST MATHEMATICIAN KNOWN TO YOU TO CONFROND A DEBATE IN OPEN COURT !! YOU WILL THEN NO DOUBT SEE THAT tHE gREAT SANTILLI IS THE GREATEST MATHEMATICIANS ever !!! NOT A PSEUDOSCIENTIST as you labelled him !! DO U WISH ME TO FORWARD THE CONFIRMATION BY THE ESTONIAN ACADEMY OF SCIENCE THAT INDEED THE DOCUMENT IS REAL !!?? give my your email MR Potato !! I PAY FOR ALL EXPENSES TO FLY YOU WITTEN ET ALL TO MEET WITH ME TO DISCUSS THESE MATTERS FURTHER !! fRANCESCO dA cOSENZA —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.133.114.47 (talk) 15:57, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

We only accept information that has been published in journals, newspapers, books, etc. None of us can break that rule, so unless your information is published, we cant use it. John Vandenberg 00:00, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
The issue I was concerned about was not whether the document in [2] from the Estonian Academy of Sciences is real, but whether it was a list of the "most illustrious applied mathematicians of all time". To me, it appears to be merely a list of mathematicians and physicists who have worked with various kinds of algebras (associative, Jordan, Lie, etc.) Spacepotato 00:20, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] recently added info

This diff contains some new information that could be useful. It did not include any reliable sources so I have reverted it for the moment. John Vandenberg 23:43, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Do the moderators tolerate this ???

A debate such as above is a shame for wikipedia : I came here by chance and if it had been the first time I visited Wikipedia, I would have left immediately, believing this is not a serious site. Philipum 13:29, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps you should consider it one of the strengths of Wikipedia, that it can handle discussions like this and come up with a sensible result, with justice not only being done but being seen to be done. Accounting4Taste 14:48, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
I have no objection to Santilli being included in a list of notable crackpot/"fringe" scientists, but there should be no question about the believability of his claims. I discovered this page through cleaning up Oxyhydrogen. The lack of strong rebuttal to Santilli's claims shows one of Wikipedia's flaws in being able to rebutt beliefs that are strongly held by a fringe minority of individuals. I have attempted to balance this with a paragraph outlining criticisms made by other scientists. If such criticisms cannot be kept here, then Wikipedia will be better off if this article does not exist as Santilli's theories are the basis for a number of "free energy" and "drive your car on water" frauds which unwary internet users might mistakenly believed Wikipedia to verify.Long Island Expressway (talk) 17:20, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] User:Fucilla francesco

Please could this user should stop using London sockpuppet IP's to add the same inane remarks periodicially to this article. Yes, Edward Witten is one of the greatest theoretical physicists alive; no, Ruggiero Santilli is not. Stating the opposite on WP is disruptive contentious editing. --Mathsci —Preceding comment was added at 16:41, 11 November 2007 (UTC)