Talk:Rudolf Nureyev
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[edit] odd POV
Isn't the following sentence very odd POV:
"Not long after, for disciplinary reasons, he was told he would not be allowed to go abroad again. He was condemned to tours of the Russian provinces."
I'm no expert in Nureyev, but if no one objects I'll remove it Paradiso 08:28, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)
In what sense is it POV? Adam 09:59, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)
OOPS - Sorry that is the wrong quote, this is the line I mean:
"In retrospect it seems obvious that his personal problems were mainly due to internal conflict over his sexuality."
How do we know its true? Paradiso 11:50, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)
It was obvious to everyone who knew him, and it is also obvious to anyone who is gay. Adam 13:02, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)
To consider this type of judgment about the internal motivations of a historical figure as an obvious conclusion for all gay people and not to anyone else is definitely problematic. If it is the opinion solely of the gay community, then it is POV, but could be stated in the article as such. And if there were in fact people who knew him who claimed that this was what was bothering him, then that should stated in the article, because that would be important and add interesting insights. I don’t know of any. If someone can find a way to support this statement, then lets add the supporting info. Did Nureyev speak about what was bothering him at this time in his life? Paradiso 14:31, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)
How could he defectin 1961 at Charles De Gaulle airport when this airport was only open in 1974??
| Authenticity check: A search reveals that the phrase "regarded by many" appears in the text. Is the phrase a symptom of a dubious statement? Could a source be quoted instead? Perhaps the "many" could be identified? Might text be edited to more genuinely reflect specific facts? Wetman |
[edit] Category:Austrian ballet dancers
Well, it certainly depends on how defining nationality, but since he became an Austrian citizen I thought it was appropriate to add the Category:Austrian ballet dancers. Gugganij 12:49, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
- He lived in Paris most of the time and only became an Austrian citizen a few years before his death, by which time he was almost finished as a dancer, so I don't think he should be classed as an Austrian dancer. In any case his nationality was either Russian or Tartar. Adam 01:28, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
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- Sounds reasonable. Gugganij 16:39, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
"Russian born balet dancer" is not appropriate. Rudolf Nureyev was Tatar and regarded himself as Tatar. if the author of the article means Rudolf's place of birth or citizenship (not ethnicity), then Mr. Nureyev was a Soviet born person, as there was no such a country as Russia yet. Robert
I agree this is a complicated question. His mother was Russian, his father was Tatar, he was born in Siberia and raised in Bashkiria. I don't think any nationality can be safely ascribed to him. "Soviet-born" is correct and probably safest. Adam 12:30, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
I reckon that an encyclopedia should not make such mistakes and should evade using colloquialisms. Russia appeared only in 1991. Between 1922 – 1991 there was USSR not Russia. The following sentences should be amended accordingly.
1. “Within two years Nureyev was one of Russia's best-known dancers”. – USSR’s 2. “He was condemned to tours of the Russian provinces” – Soviet provinces. He could not go to Turkmen Soviet Republic either. 3. “He did not see Russia again until 1989” - USSR 4. “…and his first visit back to Russia was to see his dying mother …” – USSR
Can you please provide me with the links to support your words “His mother was Ethnic Russian”? To my knowledge both of his parents were Tatars. His mother’s name was Farida which is a very common name among Tatars. Russians do not use Muslim or Turkic names, and Farida is either of the two. Following are the links to some trustworthy websites which directly or indirectly say that Rudolf’s mother was Tatar too. Encyclopedia of World Biography http://www.notablebiographies.com/Ni-Pe/Nureyev-Rudolf.html “He was the youngest of the four children of Hamet and Farida Nureyev, who came from Asiatic Mongol ancestry”.
Article: Capturing Nureyev http://www.antiquesandthearts.com/%5C/a2000.asp?a=CoverStory03-19-2002-11-16-28 “..Born of Tatar parents..”
E-book: “The most famous artists of Russia” http://salebook.lgg.ru/files/rv/361812132904.htm#145 Translation: “Nureyev who made Russian ballet famous was not Russian. His mother Farida was a Kazan Tatar woman… Unlike many artists or scientists of those times Rudolf didn’t keep his origin in secret. Vice versa, he was proud of his ethnicity and he really resembled an impetuous and self-willed descendent of Genghis-Khan as people tended to call him. His ballet-school mates say that on occasions he would emphasise that his ancestors ruled Russians during 300 years”.
Robert, Australia
- »Nureyev was born in a train near Irkutsk, while his ethnic *Russian mother* was travelling across Siberia to Vladivostok« ?????
- His mother's name is *Färidä*, his father's name is *Xämit*. It's typical Muslim name. It's not russian name! Typical russian names: Natasha, Masha, Dasha, Sasha, Glasha, ...
Rudolf Nureyev Foundation Official Website http://www.nureyev.org/biography/biographie_jeunesse.php Quote: "The family were Tartars, coming of peasant stock in the Soviet republic of Bashkir". Adam, what else do you need? Robert
His mother's name is Farida.
[edit] Homosexuality
Most people seem to have this illusion that Nureyev "leaped to freedom" in order to have so-called "artistic freedom" in the west, when in all actuality if he remained in Russia he would have been sent to prison, etc. for his sexuality, and whether people like this or not it is the truth.
A user named Derek Parker put in the following edit, which is wholly inaccurate -
"The fact that he was by then a known homosexual was not, as has been suggested, relevent; the KGB winked at homosexual artists who were considered valuable to the State."
If Nureyev was valueable to the state then why would the KGB want to send him back to Russia during the Kirov's tour in Paris?
I dont known where on earth he got this idea, but that is simple NOT true. In light of this, I reverted back to an older edit. Mrlopez2681 19:53, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
Homosexual men do have political opinions. Furthermore, if he was valuable to the state, that is EXACTLY why the KGB would want to send him back to Russia. He is a valuable asset as a Soviet dancer; as a defector he would be a prominent liability -- irrelevant of sexuality or politics. I also question the accuracy of your statements on Soviet history70.239.95.34 05:39, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
This is all uncited and certainly not factual. If it's factual, cite it. 71.185.192.226 04:10, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
I wonder also if it would not be more appropriate to call him bisexual, since he was know to have had sexual relationships with women as well as men (http://www.nysun.com/article/61345). --Minerva9 07:24, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
[edit] needs format changed
[edit] Nureyev's choreographies
LA BAYADERE ACTE III - 3 october 1974 - After Petipa
MANFRED - 20 november 1979 - Original choreography
DON QUICHOTTE - 6 march 1981 - After Petipa
RAYMONDA - 5 november 1983 - After Petipa
LE LAC DES CYGNES - 20 december 1984 - After Sergueev and Bourmeister
ROMEO ET JULIETTE - 19 october 1984 - Original choreography
THE TEMPEST - 9 march 1984 - Original choreography
BACH SUITE - 16 april 1984 - Avec Francine Lancelot
CASSE NOISETTE - 20 december 1985 - After Petipa
WASHINGTON SQUARE - 25 june 1985 - Original choreography
CENDRILLON - 24 october 1986 - Original choreography
LA BELLE AU BOIS DORMANT - 18 march 1989 - After Petipa
LA BAYADERE - 8 october 1992 - After Petipa
[edit] NPOV
While i can't claim to be any expert or even some one who knows much about this chap and only came to this page after reading a review about the new biography on Rudolf Nureyev by Julie Kavanagh. The review in "The Sunday Times" (UK), paints a totally different picture of what Rudolf was like. As far going on to use the phrase the Beast within the Beauty. I honestly think some of Julie's work needs to be taken into account into as it seems to contradict what has been written about him here, in particular his personality. as an example i read in the wikipedia article he was known to be a generous and loyal friend while the review says "he was shamelessly exploitative, using people as stepping stones and then discarding them" and "towards inferiors he was violent and foul mouthed, berating waiters, throwing food around...Anti-semitic obscenities were his specility". sounds quite different to what has been written here. and i can't say its a piece of work that should be dismissed as she spent 10 years reaserching it. anyways thats my two cents Philbentley 16:55, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
- There can be multiple viewpoints and personality and style variations can vary greatly depending on who is asking, what they are asking and of whom. Benjiboi 14:56, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Tone
The article had the tone of a scandal drahamah-filled fan page with much unfootnoted analysis. I have made a first pass to chop out some of the worst offenses, but it could use someone to clean up after me. Many of the items could probably be returned, if properly sourced. TheRedPenOfDoom (talk) 11:40, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Pushkin
The mention of Alexander Pushkin may be misleading for some, especially given the wording. I wasn't able to find anything on Nureyev's Pushkin even in ruwiki, the only other two Alexanders listed there are the poet's son and grandson. Bansp (talk) 23:24, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
