Talk:Rudiment

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Where the biological meaning of "rudiment"?--Ctac 12:57, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

  • I suggest moving this article to "Rudiment (drums)" or some such. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 00:50, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] Hybrids?

Is there really a point to having the humongous list of hybrid rudiments? I've been a percussionist for over 5 years, and have never even heard of the vast majority of these. Evan Seeds (talk) 23:47, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] TOTAL OVERHAUL

This page needs an overhaul, a total re-creation. In the next few days, I plan to add several new sections.

First, the title of the article and redirecting/link repair, so that someone can type in "rudimental drumming," "drum rudiments," "rudiment (drum)," etc. and still arrive at this page.

Second, MUSICAL EXAMPLES, MUSICAL NOTATION, PLEASE. SHOW us what they look like in notation so we know how to play them. This includes both lists of rudiments with musical examples and also transcriptions of famous rudimental drum solos. I have not had much experience scanning this kind of material and could use some help adding it. I plan to add at least the PAS and NARD rudiments in notation and the "Three Camps," "Downfall of Paris," and "Connecticut Halftime," but the number of appropriate musical examples to add is endless.

Third, a clearer definition of how rudiments are are used in different kinds of practice and performance and some HISTORY of how there came to be lists of rudiments in the first place. This is esoteric information which before now has only been published in academic journals and is not available to many people. The history needs to be filled in, because it's the biggest hole in people's knowledge of the rudiments. There are a whole lot of people walking around who can play them and have no clue where they came from.

Fourth, a BIBLIOGRAPHY of books, articles, web sites, and recordings where people can go to find this information. This will include more traditional drum method books and also new videos from people who play rudimental ideas on the drum set.

Ross Kimberlin 20:10, 11 March 2006 (UTC)Ross Kimberlin, 10 March 2006

[edit] "See Also" section

I also want to make sure that every percussion page is linked to every other percussion page. I have noticed this is lacking especially in the different percussion pages compared to many other related groups of articles on Wikipedia. The articles on drum set, snare drumming, drum rolls, rudiments, drum corps, and everything else should all be linked to one another via the blue-lettered "See Also" section at the bottom.

[edit] Brad Halls changes - March 26, 2006

Hello group. Agree with most of the comments above. Made the following changes:

  • Took another shot at the initial definition of "rudiment".
  • Broke the list of 40 up into the historic 13-13-14.
  • Created a new "Hybrid Rudiments" page and moved the list of hybrids there.
  • Added a "Books" section
  • Added "Notable Contributors" section
  • Added links to the PAS rudiments page, and rudimentaldrumming.com

Note that the "Books" and "Notable Contributors" sections are just a beginning; I don't pretent to have a complete list on either subject.

Other information that should be added, IMHO:

  • History
  • Musical images for each rudiment
  • Multimedia - Sound/Video files of each rudiment

Brad Halls 07:12, 26 March 2006 (UTC)Brad Halls

[edit] Added Images 3/30/2006

I got permission from P.A.S. to use the rudimental images from their website and posted all 40 of them here. Next on the list:

  • Add some examples that show how rudiments can be combined to make percussion music
  • Add sounds (midi)?
  • Add a section about the "grid"
  • Add a section about "check patterns"

Brad Halls 03:01, 31 March 2006 (UTC) Brad Halls

[edit] Thanks, Brad.

The page is already 100% better. Having the notes on there makes all the difference in the world. It finally looks respectable and will give people one more easy place to find the rudiments online. I've been dragging behind on finishing a brief history of them, but I'll wrap it up soon. I believe it should go right before the list of books/sources, and I think I'll also make a link to the history as a separate article.

Thanks again, it never occurred to me to contact PAS for permission to use their images and I would have had technical problems doing so anyway. I couldn't have done it without everybody else here pitching in. Thank God with a bazillion people looking at this site nobody has to do it alone.

Ross K.

[edit] Adding written drum notes, video & midi of rudiments

Hi Ross, You can check out this site with the list all 40 rudiments. They have a vid presentation of how the rudiments are played, with read & written notes & midi file.

You may have to ask their permission I suppose.

http://www.music.vt.edu/musicdictionary/appendix/drumrudiments/Drumrudiments.html

God bless!

[edit] complete rewrite

There's a discussion open about moving a full rewrite of this article, combining all smaller rudiments, into mainspace going on now at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Percussion#Rudiment_rewrite --Evan ยค Seeds 04:31, 19 March 2008 (UTC)