Talk:Royal School Dungannon

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Thought I would create a stub for my old school. It has been refered to on many pages, but no Wikipedia page existed. I will try to update it all the information I can find on the net and from the school.

Ishq Ali 09:04, 7 January 2006 (UTC)ishqali

Are you sure you amalgamated in 1984, I was under the impression you went co-ed around the same time or a year or later as us (RSA)?

I've tidied this page up - it was looking a mess. The History shows previous versions. As far as possible, I have kept relevent material in this version.

You may be interested that Raymond Piper taught at R.S.D. I have started a stub on this artist.Osborne 15:37, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Contents 1 On Dilworth 2 On vandalism 3 The nature of fame 4 What's in a name?

[edit] On Dilworth

I noticed that the amount of Dilworth scholars being shipped off from RSD was changed to four before being reverted to three. The number of scholars is now four, two boys and two girls. I've changed the number back to four. Geisskane, July 3rd

• interesting - when did it change to four students? Trenwith 07:34, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
• Last year I think. I know it's four now because I know the four in my year who are going. The thing is, three of them get it paid for them, but the final person has to pay. Geisskane

[edit] On vandalism

This page gets vandalised a lot. It would be more interesting if the vandalism was a bit more creative, and not a bunch of long haired emo kids whining about the dress rules, and regurgitating names of popular modern musicians into the alumni. Which is, I'm sure some sort of small tribute? Vandalism get's me annoyed. Norabattyevil 03:57, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The nature of fame

The on-going is-Jordan-Cullen-famous-or-not debate has sparked a serious issue - how do we decide who is/not a notable past pupil. As Eleccy has pointed out, it should not be confined to people who did something a hundred years ago. However opening this category up to any past-pupil well-known to students adds another issue - a lot of people in Dungannon are well-known, but only within the town.

For example, if we decide Jordan Cullen is not (yet) notable enough it is because his work is confined to local press. If he has a book published or articles are syndicated to national press, he would naturally be included. Proper discussion is needed here as he may set a precedent for those who follow. In his case, obvious vandalism may have damaged a legitimate attempt to include him.

• Never heard of him, nor has Google Trenwith 10:14, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Others worth consideration include those below - add/discuss as you see fit. Personally, I think a lot are 'not yet' notable, but it's worth thinking about

• Richard Davidson, property developer/owner;
  • who? Trenwith 10:14, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
• Jenny Lee (Irish News)
  • Agreed - especially notable as the Irish News is not the 'paper of choice' in RSD! Trenwith 10:14, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
• Nathan Wells, barrister, published author (Uni textbook);
  • Who? Trenwith 10:14, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
• Clarke Rice, published author (A-level textbook)
  • Hardly a best-seller Trenwith 10:14, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
• Paddy Johns (ex Irish Rugby)
  • Agreed Trenwith 10:14, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
• Walter Cuddy (UUP councillor)
  • Not sure - if he's made major, then yes Trenwith 10:14, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
• Eoin Saunders (journalist)
  • who? Trenwith 10:14, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
• Chris Meeke (up-and-coming Rally star)
• Glenn Patterson (Meeke's co-driver)
  • yes and yes Trenwith 10:14, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
• Mark Baxter (Ulster Rugby, potential Irish player)
  • Once he's playing for Ireland Trenwith 10:14, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
• Sylvia Hermon (nee Paisley - ex DHS?)
  • Already listed Trenwith 10:14, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
• Noel Purdy (ex student, ex staff and now a QUB lecturer)
  • Trenwith 10:14, 3 January 2007 (UTC) Surely he should be Prof Purdy to be 'notable'? Trenwith 10:14, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Blowmonkey 16:51, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] What's in a name?

The Old Grey Mother is definately used by ex-students and is known in the school, though possibly not known to all. Historically it referred to what is now the Library/Head's House/Science block. Are there any other (repeatable) names in the same category? If it's not worth including in its own section, can a consensus be reached? Blowmonkey 16:51, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

• Science block? Surely you mean sixth form study? I think it was science once though.... Trenwith 10:14, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
• No, Blowmonkey is correct in referring to it as the old Science block, as it was less than 10 years ago. Norabattyevil 03:52, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

The previous debate was: Delete old grey mother section This section should be deleted, as a past student I know that neither pupils nor staff had any 'affectionate' names (there are plenty of derogatory names incidentally) for the school, nevermind "The Old Grey Mother".

Nonsense. If you were a past student and not a vandal you would know this. Blowmonkey 19:00, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Indeed the RSD web-site refers to this name Blowmonkey 19:15, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Interesting indeed, but what the website says and what the facts are may not necessarily be the same, especially since the site was designed by a couple of 16 year olds. I am quite sure that not one past pupil in the last twenty years has referred to the school as 'The Old Grey Mother'. I fail to see how this single line of contenious text adds anything of any importance or relevance to the article anyway. Also, you should realise that scathing comments don't hold much weight from someone calling themselves 'Blowmonkey'

Sorry about the name, but it's better than hiding behind an anonymous IP address. My last letter from the Former Pupils' Association also refers to 'Our Old Grey Mother'. I think they would know. Blowmonkey 15:27, 22 September 2006

I think the bone of contention is arising from the fact that Blowmonkey is accusing many contributions of being vandalism, without actually considering that they may be welcome addition to the article. Also reputation does not preclude rational discussion. In particular the reputation of the Past Pupils Association may not allow all other 'unrecognised' facts to be considered vandalism. If I were to post some nicknames for the school used by current pupils I would no doubt find them removed the next day with a report for vandalism sitting in my inbox. Surely the article must be kept as up to date and relevant for past and present pupils alike? Eleccy 00:58, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Look at the history for Jordan Cullen articles - one single idea from a number of accounts that appear to be created for only that purpose and many of them containing vague, spurious ideas. Looks like vandalism or self-publicity imho. It's the Former Pupils' Assoc. btw.Blowmonkey 19:15, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for the pedantic correction, I was not referring to the Jordan Cullen point this time though, merely trying to give another viewpoint for the matter of the Old Grey Mother nickname. I actually think the 'IP vandal' is correct in this case, having an entire section devoted to a single nickname (most of the section is simply an argument for why it should be present in the article) might be a bit much. Eleccy 21:10, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

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