Talk:Royal Netherlands Air Force

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Contents 1 History 2 Fokker D.XXI 3 RNAF WWII combat record 4 Editing this article 5 Roundel

[edit] History

This is badly missing something on the History of the RNAF. Nigel Ish 22:47, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

The current history is too long. It should have a short synopsis and than a seperate article which includes the entire history imo. And to the person that is adding the history section please cite some sources and refer to english wiki articles not Dutch ones. EggyNL 10:55, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fokker D.XXI

The article states the Fokker D.XXI airplane was outdated at the start of the war. The aircraft was in fact brand new (designed in 1935, delivered from 1938) but designed for air patrol duties in the Dutch East Indies where ruggedness and easy maintainance was more important than speed, armor and armament. While the order by the Dutch East Indies Airforce was cancelled the aircraft was pressed into service in the Dutch, Danish and Finnish airforces. Especially the Finnish D.XXI's performed excellent in the rough conditions of the Winter and Continuation wars against the Red Army airforce. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.211.25.128 (talk) 12:04, August 26, 2007 (UTC)

[edit] RNAF WWII combat record

The article implies the german losses of 350 airplanes during the attack on the Netherlands in World War II can all be attributed to the RNAF. These were in fact the total figures of lost german plaines during the 5 day lasting attack on the Netherlands, most of which can be attributed to the Germans landing their Ju-52 transport plaines in unsuitable places like soggy ground, beaches and airfields still under Dutch control. Another large chunk of the german losses can be attributed to Dutch anti-aircraft fire, which was infact the only well-prepared and well-armed section of the Dutch defences at the time of the attack. Dutch fighter plaines never actually got to shoot German transports as those were escorted by Bf-109's against which they performed well, but were completely outnumbered. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.211.25.128 (talk) 12:19, August 26, 2007 (UTC)

Correction of the above => Two Ju-52 transport plaines were in fact shot down by Dutch fighter plaines. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.211.25.128 (talk) 21:58, August 26, 2007 (UTC)

I was about to comment on this issue myself. There is no way the Dutch airforce shot down 350 German aircraft. In this matter, the article is wholely misleading. Toby Douglass 11:18, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Editing this article

I've given this article a quick going over to fix some of the grammar, add some links and remove some of the more glaring errors. Note that I just hit the most obvious stuff due to toddler-related time pressure - it still needs some TLC to make it a good article.

I'll try to return to it soonish once I've done a bit more research, but any help would also be appreciated :). ck (talk) 13:00, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

February 24th, 2008: I've added a little short information on the table below and changed some descriptions (DC-10 is not a medium airliner, Fokker 60 was a utlilty, Apaches (30 bought), PC-7 the yellow paint before. By the way, the KDC-10 is nog similar to the KC-10A Extender. The KC-10 was build especially for the USAF. The KDC-10 were former civilian airliners (note the difference in the windows (KDC-10) and the no windows (KC-10).

The Apaches will NOT be converted to the Longbow version. This is absolutely wrong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.81.118.63 (talk) 10:35, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Aren't they Longbows already? This page: [1] seems to indicate that, as does this (pdf file) from Boeing - who make the aircraft [2].

You've not signed your comment so I can't access your talk page to confirm this with you directly, but I'll wait a week to let people comment and then change the article to say that they're Longbows already.ck (talk) 11:30, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Roundel

Would it be possible to modify the background of the pictured roundel, as the white section isn't visible? StaticGull  Talk  16:13, 21 April 2008 (UTC)