Talk:Royal Borough of Windsor and Maidenhead

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This ward table used to be on the main page Royal Borough of Windsor and Maidenhead. I removed it to here because it was poorly formatted (no <table> or </table>) and doesn't seem encyclopedic - no other local authority has a similar table.--Keith Edkins 17:08, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

Area (km²) 

2001 

MAIDENHEAD

18.27

42,850 

Belmont Ward

   1.65 

   7,543 

Boyn Hill Ward

   1.76 

   6,970 

Furze Platt Ward

   1.62

   7,179 

Maidenhead Riverside Ward

   4.03 

   6,995 

Oldfield Ward

   4.47 

   7,327 

Pinkneys Green Ward

   4.74

   6,836 

WINDSOR & ETON

23.44

 33,304 

Castle Without Ward

   1.57 

   6,173 

Clewer East Ward

   1.10 

   4,370

Clewer North Ward

   3.24 

   7,245 

Clewer South Ward

    0.97 

   5,226 

Eton & Castle Ward 

   5.88 

   3,025
Eton Wick Ward

   1.86

    2,294 

Park Ward

   8.82 

   4,971 

NORTHERN WARDS AND PARISHES

 

 

Bisham & Cookham Ward

23.28 

   6,657 

Bisham Parish

   9.98

   1,160 

Cookham Parish

13.29 

   5,497 

Bray Ward 

25.76

   6,999 

Bray Parish

24.98 

   8,460 

Cox Green - Ward and Parish

    5.00

  7,201 

Hurley & Walthams Ward

47.64

  6,106 

Hurley Parish

16.85

  1,848 

Shottesbrooke Parish 

   5.64 

    160 

Waltham St Lawrence Parish

14.72

 1,216 

White Waltham Parish

10.44

 2,881 

SOUTHERN WARDS AND PARISHES

 

 

Datchet - Ward and Parish

   6.67

  4,647 

Eton Town

   4.01

    5,000

Eton & Castle Ward(part) 

   2.15 

    2,706 

Eton Wick Ward

   1.86 

    2,294 

Horton & Wraysbury Ward

11.71

    4,634

Horton Parish 

   4.98 

       992

Wraysbury Parish 

   6.73 

    3,642

Old Windsor Ward and Parish

17.36

    4,769

Sunningdale Ward and Parish

   6.63

    4,870

Sunninghill & Ascot Parish

12.68

  11,604

Ascot & Cheapside Ward

   8.57 

    5,063 

Sunninghill & South Ascot Ward 

   4.11 

    6,541 

ROYAL BOROUGH OF WINDSOR & MAIDENHEAD

198.43

133,626 

[edit] Move

How about moving this to Windsor and Maidenhead? Morwen - Talk 19:22, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Move what? And why? Bazza 12:58, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
Um, the entire article. Because it is less wordy, and there isn't any other Windsor and Maidenhead to disambiguate with. Morwen - Talk 14:04, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
But there is no such place as Windsor and Maidenhead. Windsor and Maidenhead are separate towns. There is a unitary authority called the Royal Borough of Windsor and Maidenhead, though. Bazza 15:28, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
Nope. There is a district called Windsor and Maidenhead which has the status of a royal borough. There are plenty of double-barelled district names, such as Brighton and Hove, Crewe and Nantwich, Hinckley and Bosworth, Basingstoke and Deane - and we don't have "Borough of" or "City of" starting thoese. Morwen - Talk 15:32, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
You're incorrect about RBWM (I can't comment on the rest). There is no district called Windsor and Maidenhead (with or without a prefix) - that became extinct when Berkshire County Council was abolished. There is now a unitary authority called the Royal Borough of Windsor and Maidenhead. It encompasses several towns and villages as the article describes, and is not confined to the two towns of Maidenhead and Windsor. Bazza 13:51, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
This is, I'm afraid, nonsense on stilts. There is a district that was established under the English Non-metropolitan districts order 1972 covering the former boroughs of New Windsor, Maidenhead and "several towns and villages" as I am quite aware. The district was given a name by the Non-metropolitan names order 1972 : "Windsor and Maidenhead". It subsequently was granted letters patent entitling it to the style "royal borough". On April 1, 1998, the Berkshire (Structural Change) Order came into effect. It makes no change in the name or the constitution of the district of Windsor and Maidenhead, but gives its district council the powers that previously were excercised by Berkshire County Council, making it a unitary authority as well as its continuing status as a non-metropolitan district. Can you provide citations for your position? Morwen - Talk 10:28, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
[1] refers consistently to the Royal Borough of Windsor and Maidenhead (RBWM). I can't find any reference to the "district of Windsor and Maidenhead". A Google search of "windsor and maidenhead district council" returns similar information for local authority names, with "windsor and maidenhead district" only being returned for names of associations, clubs or other non-governmental authoirities. All literature from RBWM to its residents (of whom I am one) cite RBWM, either abbreviated or in full. The only usage of "Windsor and Maidenhead" I can find is in terms such as "Windsor and Maidenhead area", much as is also found in "Slough and Windsor area", etc. Many residents of both towns having towns names amalgamated in this way but that is the way it is. If the name were more honest, it would be RBWMA to include the third town of Ascot which is also included in the unitary authority. I am still puzzled why you want this move. "Windsor and Maidenhead" redirects to this article in any case; and there is still no place which is named "Windsor and Maidenhead". A similar situation exists with the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea — likewise there is no place called "Kensington and Chelsea". Bazza 15:34, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
I really don't see how anything you say address the issue of whether it is a non-metropolitan district (it is, a district with the further status of a royal borough), and its name (which is "Windsor and Maidenhead". yes, a lot of people call it royal borough of windsor and maidenhead. the "royal borough" part does not form part of the name, otherwise for example the council would be legally called the "royal borough of windsor and maidenhead borough council" and that would be silly. my proposal for the name change would be because its shorter, it is currently the only non-london district article to have such superfluity in its name. i'm not proposing to include the word "district" in the name, just noting that "Royal Borough of" is external to the name, just as in "Mr John Smith", Mr is external to the name. Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea is only there for consistency with stuff like London Borough of Lambeth and London Borough of Haringey. Morwen - Talk 15:52, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
[undent] Which name are you referring to? If it's the one which a lot of people (and most who live in it) call it by, then it should remain, as you say, RBWM. If it's the one to be used for consistency, then I argue that it should remain RBWM - the other two RBs in England also have articles with their full title (which I note that article describes as being a legal part of their title). I don't follow the London/Royal argument at all; nor do I agree with removing information simply for the sake of it. Bazza 18:20, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
I'm talking about the official name of the district.
For the london boroughs all the articles are at London Borough of X, even if there is no other place called X. Obviously it would be silly to have London Borough of Kensington and Chelsea so we incorporate the "Royal Borough" part instead. There are no other royal boroughs in England outside London for comparison, so what to call our article about the non-metropolitan district of Windsor and Maidenhead is a one-off decision.
If local usage really is never to use plain 'Windsor and Maidenhead', then I can see I'm not going to get much from pursuing this line of argument. But I'm just explaining that the that is its official name, and that your statements above were not true. "removing information simply for the sake of it" is a pretty silly strawman argument as well - and I'd like you to withdraw that please - i'm just talking about the name of the article more concise, not altering the text of the article in any way. Anthony Charles Lynton Blair contains more information than Tony Blair but the latter is the preferred article name. Morwen - Talk 18:26, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
Inbound links-wise its 47 RBW&M (mostly coming from Template:SE England) and 56 W&M (which is quite a lot for a redirect) so this probably suggests wide use of the shorter form. MRSC 18:40, 26 September 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Old Windsor?

How come Old Windsor is not included in the list of towns and villages? --86.136.187.163 15:58, 29 October 2007 (UTC)