Talk:Route 66 (TV series)

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Well, this is rapidly approaching the point at which the article can no longer be called a stub. I'd like to express my appreciation to everyone who added or edited bits over the past month. It's good to know other people remember this show fondly.

Still needed, to my mind, are brief character sketches for Tod and Buz and Linc. Also, is there a way to format the episode list so the numbering continues after the subheading? I searched for this, but to no avail. Karen 01:00, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

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Well, obviously, I found out about episode guide tables. Many thanks for the second, third and fourth seasons! I was only halfway through compiling my version of the second season when your superior one was uploaded.

On the "series of strange misfortunes": the following options are grammatically correct:

• "A series of strange misfortunes befalls Tod and Buz...." (Remove the dependent clause and you get "A series befalls," which has agreement in number.)
• "Strange misfortunes befall Tod and Buz...."
• "Tod and Buz suffer a series of odd misfortunes...."
• "Tod and Buz suffer from a series of odd misfortunes...."

Any of the above work for me, but the last two are less passive. Karen 03:19, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Contents 1 "Completely Useless Trivia" 2 Sourcing 3 Re: Completely Useless Trivia 4 Re: Sourcing 5 Re: Character Sketches 6 Episode articles 7 Nelson Riddle 8 Robert Altman question

[edit] "Completely Useless Trivia"

Okay, #4 is reaching a little, IMO. :) Karen 01:19, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sourcing

I really love all the great stuff that's gone in here, most of it from people other than myself. However, I'm a little worried about Wikipedia guidelines re: sourcing and original research. Can we try to get in some citations, beyond the show itself? I need to do better on this as well. Thanks! Karen 01:19, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Completely Useless Trivia

Did you mean my reference to the Mad magazine parody? I'll delete it if you feel it's too irrelevant.--Toddpence 03:33, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

No, that's a really good one! (Makes me want to track down a copy.) But I thought the Conrad and Alda guest roles were a little too, uh, trivial. Most actors play cops and doctors at one time or another, methinks. Karen

That's true, but I thought that the circumstances of having both episodes occur so close together and the fact that Conrad's and Alda's roles were so famous in TV history merited it. --Toddpence 03:40, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Sourcing

I'd particularly like to find citations that support the "Emmy Awards Nominations" section. There doesn't seem to be a reliable source online that gives the names of Emmy nominees from the 1960's who didn't win. Although I'm 100 per cent sure that both Ethel Waters and Larry Marcus were nominated for Emmys as I stated in that section I'm not even sure in what exact category each was nominated in. There may be additional Emmy nominations for the show that I'm not aware of. --Toddpence 03:37, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Got it![1] Didn't find Marcus, but the Acedemy lists Maharis and Waters as nomineees. I'll add it. Karen 03:46, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I'm going to temporarily remove the Marcus reference until I can find accurate citation for it. There does seem to be some missing information at that Emmy site for the earlier years. I remember reading about the Marcus nomination in a hardcopy reference book years ago. Now that I think about it, it's possible that it might have been a Writer's Guild award or something like that. I KNOW the script was nominated for some kind of award, though. --Toddpence 04:09, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

I found the Marcus information at the library today! It turns out it WAS a Writers Guild award and not an Emmy. It also turns out that Marcus (credited as "Lawrence B. Marcus" won the category that year, which makes it possibly the only major award ever won by the series. I'm going to change that subject heading to awards in general to accomodate it. My particular source was the Facts on File publication book TV Facts, 1980 edition. --4.249.69.95 20:02, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Character Sketches

In response to your request earlier for character sketches, I'll work on rough drafts for those in the morning (after I've slept on it). It is also my (long-term) intention to write entries for each individual episode including excruciatingly detailed plot summaries. This series deserves no less a treatment. --Toddpence 04:17, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Anybody know if Tod's father was ever given a first name during the series? I know his mother's name was once given as Martha, but I don't believe his father was ever named. --Toddpence 23:18, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry to say I don't have the answer to that. All I can say is, it's not mentioned in "Black November." I recommend going without that data bit, and adding it later if it turns up. Karen 04:58, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Completed character articles for both Tod and Buz! Of course, they are both very sketchy at this point and probably could use some upshoring. But it's a start. --Toddpence 00:26, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Nice job! I was surprised to see them as separate articles, though, rather in the body of this one.

Linc's article is now up! --Toddpence 22:35, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Episode articles

On the "excruciatingly detailed" episode guide idea, I suspect that many Wikipedians would frown on this. Wikipedia tends to discourage individual episode articles except for "cult" shows with a large, current fandom, such as Star Trek and The Simpsons. Please see this discussion before you start tackling all that work; you may want to try expanding the guide that's on here a little instead. Alternatively, I'd love to see a detailed Route 66 series site online, but off Wikipedia. I'd even be glad to host and contribute to it. Feel free to email me from my talk page if interested. I have material that I can't use here (original research). Unfortunately, it's on Commodore 64 floppies somewhere. Karen 02:27, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nelson Riddle

I'm looking for a citation for the Nelson Riddle bit. He got two Grammy nominations in 1962 for the Route 66 theme, Best Instrumental Theme, Composer, and Best Instrumental Arrangement.[2] So should that be in the theme heading, or the awards section?

[edit] Robert Altman question

I've always wondered, and never been able to find out; does anybody (perhaps the person who made that episode guide with writing credits) know which episodes of this show Robert Altman directed? I'm trying to compile a complete list of television shows he did. Thanks ThatGuamGuy 03:46, 15 September 2006 (UTC)sean

The episode Altman directed was the second-season segment "Some of the People, Some of the Time", filmed in Carlisle, PA. Reportedly producer Herbert B. Leonard was dissatisfied with Altman's work on this episode and never asked him to direct for the series again.Toddpence 03:08, 19 October 2006 (UTC)