Talk:Roundhay Garden Scene

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It says that the movie only has 4 frames, but when I download it, it even has 18 frames. It still lasts for about 2 seconds. How come?

My thoughts would be that the film was converted to MOV, meaning counting the space in between the frames.

The 1930 NSM copy has 20 frames, therefore at 12fps it would run for 1.66 seconds. The later NMPFT digitalized version runs for 2.11 seconds (52 frames at 24.64fps). 31 May 2007

Contents 1 Copying the film to Wikipedia 2 French-English film? 3 strange fps rate 4 controversy 5 The missing reel 6 Query re a statement in "Remastered footage" 7 Notes on the Roundhay Garden Scene location 8 Plot 9 Sarah Whitley Memorial Inscription

[edit] Copying the film to Wikipedia

As this film seems to be in the public domain due to its age, would it be possible to upload a copy to Wikipedia after having converted the file to Ogg Theora format? Andrew (My talk) 00:05, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

• Go ahead. --The Track Master 14:13, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
  • I have uploaded the film and linked to it from the article, and transferred the link to the original QuickTime movie file from the article to the media description page. If there are any problems, please feel free to leave a message on my talk page. Andrew (My talk) 22:05, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] French-English film?

Since the self-man crew is French, the cast is half French-half English and the shooting location is in England, this film could be considered a French-English film in the infobox (country)? What do you think? :) Cliché Online 13:14, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

done! Cliché Online 14:27, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Director listed as French and Country listed as England. 24 June 2007

[edit] strange fps rate

The .mov file version is 24.64fps, the modern fps which seems just too much for a prototype. It should be around 12fps instead, 12 are sufficient for animation and lower rate are not correctly animated. So it should be mentionned in the article that the link is actually a reconstruction of the original motion picture not a digitalisation of the original analog work. Cliché Online 14:14, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

done! this guy was greater than expected, it was actually 20pps!! 14:27, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

But the Louis Le Prince page mentions that Adolphe states Roundhay Garden Scene was shot @ 12fps and Leeds Bridge Scene @ 20fps, so I have edited Roundhay Garden Scene article to match the Louis Le Prince article. 24 May 07

[edit] controversy

The controversy is not about "Roundhay Garden Scene" and the '88 single-lens but about "Man Walking Around A Corner" supposedly shot with the '87 16-lens camera "The only 16-lens image apparently taken with this camera was probably made on a single glass plate and not on film, as described in the patent. No films made with this camera have been found.". A film was still in the camera's spooler when it was bring to the Science Museum by Miss Le Prince in 1940. Actually i haven't found any controversy about the '88 camera, and i've browsed all online English & French ressources. however i've noticed a mirror switching that was done on Roundhay Garden Scene, but not mentioned, see Louis Le Prince article. Cliché Online 14:27, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The missing reel

"It features Adolphe Le Prince, Sarah Whitley, Joseph Whitley and Harriet Hartley walking around and laughing."

It hardly seems appropriate to refer to these people as "actors". Also, the heading "The missing reel" is an unencyclopedic embellishment. No missing reel is mentioned. TheMadBaron 20:20, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure what is meant by "the missing reel." Is there a reel that's missing? If there is it's not mentioned in the article. If this is a metaphor for all the backstory, then most people aren't going to get it. I sure don't. If there's an acutal missing reel it ought to be discussed in the article. If there isn't then that section should be renamed. Dyfsunctional 13:55, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Section retitled "Aftermath" on 29 May 2007

[edit] Query re a statement in "Remastered footage"

"In 1930 the NMPFT produced..." Should this read "In 1930 the National Science Museum produced..."? The NMPFT (in Bradford) did not open untill 1983!

[edit] Notes on the Roundhay Garden Scene location

The location was the garden of Oakwood Grange in Roundhay, Leeds, West Yorkshire, England. Oakwood Grange was the home of Joseph and Sarah Whitley, the in-laws of Louis Le Prince. The house was around 175 feet wide (100 feet excluding out-buildings) and the garden about 800 feet long (500 feet excluding side-garden). The building no longer exists, but a cul-de-sac next to the site was named Oakwood Grange in memory of it.The ancient northern perimeter wall is still standing. The 1871 Roundhay census (schedule # 72) lists the Whitley and Le Prince families living in the Roundhay Cottage. 23 May 2008.

[edit] Plot

What was the plot? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.200.154.219 (talk) 22:26, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

• I'm not sure if the above was a serious question (perhaps querying whether this might be a fragment of a longer film) or a joke. In case it was a good faith question, it was just an experiment, basically a home movie. It's a legitimate question to ask if there was more film shot than the 2 seconds that survive, but it wasn't a film with a plotline. I don't believe those began to be made until after 1900. 68.146.41.232 (talk) 23:04, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sarah Whitley Memorial Inscription

"In memory of Sarah Robinson the beloved wife of Joseph Whitley died October 24th 1882 aged 72 years". 23 May 2008.