Talk:Rotary phase converter

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I agree that a list is useful. I removed the redirect and started a basic list of RPC companies alphabetically by type manufactured. I personally think including a list of mfg links on this page (Rotary Phase Converter) is fine as long as we define it that way. Several of these sites have really good advanced general and technical information on them, in addition to selling a product. We can keep it as a separate page for now and maybe we will get some feedback to re-instate it here instead?

--Theodore1942 10:17, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

The list of commercial phase converter manufacturers

Simply bounces back to this page. I am a newbie here and a little hesitant to edit other folks works. In addition I am not sure how to unlink the "List of commercial phase converter manufacturers" and make it its own page.

There is one commercial company still listing in this page and some of the links go to highly commercial places. I sould like to see the List of commercial phase converter manufacturers recreated as a list.

--Ottojas 21:11, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

We seem to have a few commercial phase converter companies putting and replacing their links.

I created a page just for them: List of commercial phase converter manufacturers with the intent to have a list of commercial manufacturers without having any sorts of struggles or improprieties on the main phase converter pages.

I intend to move all commercial links to that page.

Comments?

--Ichudov 13:34, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

You know, the one link you have on the main article to "phaseconverterinfo" is owned by a commercial company. Do you think it's fair to list them? Shouldn't they be listed as is on the commercial site?

Registrant: Phase Technologies LLC 1141 Rand Rd Rapid City, SD 57702 US

Domain Name: PHASEPERFECT.COM

And...

Registrant: Phase Technologies LLC 1141 Rand Rd Rapid City, SD 57702 US

Domain Name: PHASECONVERTERINFO.COM

Seems to me that this would give an unfair advantage in the commercial sale of their product perhaps or an unfair advantage in at least the search engine linkeage? It's a link ranking tactic to gain popularity. The more sites you have linking back to your main page the higher rank the engines will think you have. Thing is, they don't recognize the site owners so as they have done and others...they buy similar relevant domains, throw their links all over the pages and link back to their main page. Seems to be working for them quite well :0)

I would hope that wikipedia won't promote their commercial products on its pages.


[edit] A request for other folks to review this page

""" Would anyone please review the Rotary phase converter page. I am hesitant to do any of the changes necessary to this page without some support. As a newbie I would like advice and as a person with commercial interests in a related area I do not want to be biased or exposed to charges of bias.

The issues.

  • 1. Rotary converter covers the subject in a less biased manner. Rotary phase converter is redundant since it is simply a species of rotary converter. Would the additional information fit better under Rotary converter?
  • 2. Rotary phase converter is full of value statements that have to do with a particular manufacturer --such as-- "The best types of RPC use actual three phase generators" a statement which would be difficult if not impossible to validate: The best in what sense?? Horsepower/dollar?? Voltage balance at full load?? Best for my application??

The generator claim is one also made by American Rotary, which is the commercial company you get when you click on the external link "Parts For Building a Phase Converter". It should at least be supported by some sort of reference to literature. I have never seen this claim made in a technical article.

  • 3. The link to "article on power factor" goes to an "organization", every page of which is an ad for "PhasePerfect", another manufacturer.

The link to "List of commercial phase converter manufacturers" which was apparently added by a generous wikipedian to give these folks a place to post, is a redirect back to the Rotary phase converter page.

  • 4. The article is full of odd verbiage.. "The quality of three phase power generated by such a phase converter may or may not be satisfactory," and "Besides RPCs (the most popular technology used to convert phase), there are other technologies available today that may or may not perform as well as this proven technology."

The page was likely built by a rotary phase converter manufacturer as evidenced by the external links and the arguments for what is the "best" technology. I am tempted to edit this article but am held back by the above considerations and questions. Should Rotary phase converter exist at all or just be an expansion of the Rotary converter article? There is very little real information in the article although it does contain some good links to "how to build your own" style articles.

Is anyone interested in this matter and willing to take a look at the page? I would be happy to make changes if they were vetted first. Better yet would someone else, clearly unbiased, become interested and do some of the editing. If I make changes, should I post a request here or elsewhere to get them reviewed and edited?

Thanks --Ottojas 03:15, 22 February 2007 (UTC) """

I've had a read through and made some (minor) alterations but I have no serious criticism to make. Largely the article seems a lot better than your RfC led me to expect. To improve it further, I would suggest adding inline references (to non-commercial sources), and putting in links to other Wikipedia electrical or engineering articles. Good luck! SheffieldSteel 19:43, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] PhasePerfect and Phaseconverterinfo are the same:

   Registrant:     Make this info private
        Phase Technologies LLC 
        1141 Rand Rd
        Rapid City, SD 57702
        US
         
        Domain Name: PHASEPERFECT.COM

        Administrative Contact :    
        Phase Technologies LLC 
        ruthjensen@rushmore.com
        1141 Rand Rd
        Rapid City, SD 57702
        US
        Phone: (605) 343-7934
        Fax: 605-343-7943
         

   Registrant:     Make this info private
        Phase Technologies LLC 
        1141 Rand Rd
        Rapid City, SD 57702
        US
         
        Domain Name: PHASECONVERTERINFO.COM

        Administrative Contact :    
        Jensen, Ruth
        ruthjensen@rushmore.com
        1141 Rand Rd
        Rapid City, SD 57702
        US
        Phone: 605-343-7934
        Fax: 605-343-7943

--Ottojas 23:36, 1 March 2007 (UTC)