Talk:Ross and Cromarty
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I've updated the 'Other Industries' and 'Population and Administration' sections. Other sections I've not touched, although perhaps only the agriculture one is really in need of updating. Average Earthman 23:40, 1 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Whilst we are updating the description, would it not make more sense for it to relate to the modern leuitenancy area rather than the administrative county (remember Ross and Cromarty is NOT a "traditional county")? Thus we should include Skye and exclude Lewis. The disclaimer at the top can then be altered.Grinner 13:45, Jun 2, 2004 (UTC)
Oops, that was lazy of me. Sorry. Average Earthman 15:13, 2 Jun 2004 (UTC)
This is supposed to be an entry covering the -county- of Ross and Cromarty (yes, it -is- a 'traditional county', even though it is made up of two older counties) and should be developed from that point of view. 'Lieutenancies' are irrelevant concepts for most purposes and any information about these should only appear under that heading, and it is up to the person who develops the entry on Lieutenancies to describe their coverage, with links to entries on the counties or areas themselves. We could go further and get political about it, but it is sufficient to note that if it is mentioned at all in the -county- entry it should certainly not distort the coverage of the article itself by including descriptions of the areas outside the county (thus, it should not be including descriptions of, for instance, Skye and Raasay, which belong to Inverness-shire).
The editing I have done is, apart from the deletion of the descriptions of Skye etc, minor (typographical errors (yes, even 'The Oracle' stumbled some times!), and errors in usage, etc.).
The whole entry is in dire need of updating. There is no point in reproducing an entry from the 11th edition of Enc. Brit. - however well regarded it might be. Apart from the fact that the information (and the points of view adopted by the compilers!) is almost a century out of date, if all that people are doing is copying from the Enc. Brit., then you might just as well make Wikipedia a carbon copy of the Encyclopaedia Britannica - and that, as we all know, has already been done. It is available elsewhere on the internet. I thought the idea of the Wikipedia was to create a new encyclopedia! Yes, mine the Encyclopaedia for historical information, but we should not present the entry itself as a supposedly authoritative account of the area.
Some geographic features remain to be properly identified, and it is not clear whether some of the topics mentioned (e.g., the meteorology of the area, and the status of the railway system within the area) actually give the current information. I will work on as many of these as I can, given my current location and resources available to me. Eilthireach 23:42, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Geography - of constituency?
The area covered by the Geography section is that of the constituency, not the county, the district or the lieutenancy area? Laurel Bush 11:25, 22 December 2005 (UTC).
Or is the Ross and Cromarty of the geography section a Britannica-defined 'geographical area' dating from 1911 (and perhaps earlier)? It just happens to have boundaries similar to those of the post-1918 constituency? (Or, perhaps, the Btitannica-defined area was an influence on how constituency boundaries were redrawn in 1918.) Laurel Bush 10:20, 13 January 2006 (UTC).
[edit] Constituency
I am dubious about this:
- the Ross and Cromarty county constituency (consisting of the mainland area of Ross-shire and Cromartyshire, minus parliamentary burghs within the county constituency).
The Western Isles constituency was not created until 1918, and I imagine prior to that date Lewis was in the Ross and Cromarty constituency. Laurel Bush 10:25, 4 January 2006 (UTC).
[edit] Committee area as primary subject of article
I note the article is defined currently as being primarily about a Highland Council committee area, which seems to be a somewhat emphemeral concept, unlikely to survive long in its current form. I understand these committee areas have no legislative definition and are purely Highland Council inventions, defined in terms of lists of wards. The council can not control the development of ward boundaries and the relevant Boundaries Commision is not constrained to respect committee area boundaries. Boundaries are expected to change dramatically in 2007 (to create new multi-member wards). Therefore committee areas are likely then to have quite different shapes, and perhaps also different names. Laurel Bush 16:15, 16 January 2006 (UTC).
- There definitely needs to be a transfer of content to Ross. The latter article is of quite shocking quality; if I were to devote time to improving it, in most cases it would just overlap with the content of this article. Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 02:28, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
Remember there is also "Ross-shire" and "Cromartyshire". Laurel Bush 09:24, 23 August 2006 (UTC).
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- I don't understand what you mean? Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 15:47, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
Just that when considering where to put info re Ross there are more than two options to take into consideration. Laurel Bush 10:28, 24 August 2006 (UTC).
