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[edit] Article for Deletion?

Recommend deleting this article just as Seduction Community was recently deleted. The Wikipedia community has decided that anything related to Seduction Community is not notable and unacceptable for this site. DutchSeduction 10:33, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

i'm a member of the community and i disagree with you. Streamless 22:01, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
For those interested in the community one of the places people will come to find general information about the topic and the people who are known throughout the community will check Wikipedia, why does the wikipedia community feel that this is unacceptable information? 19th November 2006 (Non Registered user)

I AM Ross Jeffries-email sandworm77@comcast.net

Personally, I HATE the fucking article. It's loaded with all sorts of falsehoods AND utterly irrelevant facts about my personal life. Who gives a fuck if I was bar mitzvahed or where I went to High School?

Delete the WHOLE fucking thing, as far as I am concerned. PLLLLLEEEEEZE.

Some people need to get a life.

RJ 93/93

sandworm77@comcast.net

It is Ross. You can email me at:

sandworm77@comcast.net

I will email you back with my cell number. Call me: you are obviously a student of mine and you will immediately be able to confirm it IS me.

I find this whole thing frightening; the details of where I went to High School, etc. etc are just scary. I don't know how anyone knows this. And your comments about my cat in the following sections; who the hell are you anyway? I suspect I know and in any case the article as written on the Wikipedia page on me is riddled with inaccuracies.

I would rather the entire thing be deleted.

Anyone who wishes to can email me at that address above and confirm it is, indeed, me who is writing this.

RJ 93/93

[edit] Opinion

Yeah, that's Ross: I recognize his writing style, his email address, and his writing voice. And he's not a faud; his stuff does work, more-or-less as advertised. The ads are a bit hyped, and to learn it takes practice. And if you follow it mindlessly, without expressing your personality, then... you're trying to chat up women without expressing your personality. Which, if you're that kind of guy, might be a good thing.

The seduction community is a significant subculture in our society, and Ross is its pioneer. Even those who dislike him and the concordant deliverance of male sexuality ought to understand that he is an important public figure in our society, and I think it would be unconscionable to censor information about him on Wikipedia, which is dedicated to the open exchange of culturally relevant knowledge.

Ross, with all due respect, you're famous; you're rich as a result of those of us who bought your products; and you deserve that; but you've also influenced society, as you understood you were doing at the time, and therefore society has a right and a need to talk about you.

I do think Wikipedia needs to respect Ross's privacy; I can't imagine at this point there isn't a policy on where to draw the line when talking about a celebrity's personal life.

Conrad. [conradcook[at]excite.com]

ps - I came here because I'd heard through the grapevine that Ross is no longer involved in Speed Seduction, and that it's now entirely owned and operated by Yates. So, people are indeed coming to Wikipedia looking for information on Ross. Keep the article.

[edit] The lines below, put back in place by a Jeffries lackey and now RE-deleted, should never return. They probably will, as Jeffries' cult of Kool-Aid drinkers spans far and wide.

When R. Don Steele, who sells rival books on the same subject matter, accused Jeffries of being a fraud and a "kike," Jeffries sued for libel. Steele told the New Times Los Angeles, "I'm not anti-Semitic. I just hate kikes."[1]

This has ZERO RELEVANCE to an article about Jeffries, who has said equally repugnant things about his MANY detractors. It's a pathetic attempt to garner sympathy for a manipulative a-hole who deserves none. Jeffries can be exposed as a fraud merely from facts.

Jeffries argues that he is not a misogynist-- his techniques are designed to bring pleasure to both men and women."[2]

This line appears without context and should remain deleted.

While not the final voices on charlatan Jeffries' wiki entry, the people do encourage more links to articles about the lameness of his NLP "science" program.


:It looks like Don steele is active on the Wiki board. Hey Don, where's the signature and why the anonymous IP address?--Agiantman 02:56, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

I'll 'admit' I'm Steele when you admit you're Jeffries himself, Agi.

Never once in any of the SS materials, including seminars and vid tapes, have I seen ONE "sarger" standing with an HB he purportedly hooked up with. I've never seen Ross with any HBs either, outside of the models he paid to pose for his booklet covers. SS is a fraud. If Jeffries had a viable product, he'd be a billionaire celebrity. But he remains a nobody, a now-distant fourth place in the world of NLP tricksters, confined to the underground by the severe limitations of his flimsy product. Admitting you were duped by charlatan Jeffries into buying his garbage is the first step toward healing.

            • TAKE THE ROSS JEFFRIES CHALLENGE*****

Challenge him to a pick up dual... bring the media..... who ever gets t- he most kisses/phone numbers is the winner. R. Don Steele...do you ACCEPT?

  • This is why I vehemently hate the Seduction Community, and I will never take part of it. I would rather never find a woman for the rest of my life than participate in this taking advantage of people. The community (especially followers of DeAngelo and Jeffries) claims to be concerned with "respecting each woman for who she is," and that the techniques are only "the first step" for bringing out the woman's inner beauty. Yet, you suggest "pickup duels" to see who can con the most women to inflate your already supremely inflated egos?
  • I ask, how is this treatment of women any better than anti-Semitism? Replace "Jew" with "Woman" and you have the same thing. No wonder there's a need for this community - try asking a woman who deals with people like you every day. She would probably perceive it to be worse. --Quintin3265 19:25, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
Quintin, not everyone in the community would like the idea of "pickup duels," either; many of us would think that it is silly. I wonder whether you would have a similar attitude to beauty contests: are they just a way for women to con the most men to inflate their "already supremely inflated egos?" There is nothing wrong with treating the ability to attract the opposite sex as a skill. As for your question about how is the community different from anti-Semitism, are you serious?! Yes, some members of the community are misogynistic; guys in the community have a wide range of attitudes towards women. I do agree that a subset of the stuff the community teaches can be damaging to men and women, but that is no reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Whether you like it or not, most women do respond well to most of what the community teaches (that is because the community tries to figure what women respond to: if they actually went for shy, chivalrous, guys, then that's what it would be teaching). Evidently, women never got the memo that they aren't supposed to like this stuff. Try asking a woman who deals with "people like me" every day? Actually, I have talked to a couple of female friends about the community (before I sent them off to the gas chambers), and they think a lot of what it teaches is great, and they wish more guys would learn it (like basic confidence, not be desperate and needy, relaxed body language...). I would recommend that you not judge the community without understanding it, and understanding women, and that you don't use the worst aspects of the community to judge the rest of it. --SecondSight 20:52, 10 May 2006 (UTC)


Who gives a crap about my cats? How is this relevant? And it's spelled "Tabbatha", you moron. And Taz's middle initial is "M" for Marie. The "J" in Tabby's middle name is for "Jean".


Altar room? That's news to me. Yoga under a golden thingy? Did the magic mushroom gods reveal this to you? I don't even have an "altar room". Jesus. And I don't even know what Bas Ruton is. I've read about JKD but never been to a seminar and could not fight my way out of a paper bag.

Oh yeah: NORWAJ DIPTHONG HAJIBANG.

See. It really IS me. Now delete the damn article.

RJ 93/93


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You see, this is more inaccurate mess. I put the ad in 1990 in Radio TV Interview Report, NOT Rolling Stone(that article, written by Erik Hedegaard, came out March of 1998). Half a million people? God, how I wish. Not even close.

[edit] Mediation request accepted

I would be happy to help mediate this - however parties should be aware that I am not actually on the mediation committee, although I would like to be. You can find more information at Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Talk:Ross Jeffries, and accept/reject me as a mediator there. Armedblowfish (talk|mail|contribs) 13:33, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] content questions

the content seems to be a book summary--which is not encyclopedic, and the adjectives used seem like self-indulgent puffery. At the moment, I see no way of reducing it to an adequate WP article, and I am considering nominating it for deletion as an advertisement unless someone more ingenious than me can fix it up. DGG (talk) 23:12, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] fact tags

OK , I am going to approach this slowly. I have just put in two fact tags. please document the sentences from reliable sources not connected with the individual, or the information must be removed, per WP:BLP. As a BLP, every possibly controversial statement here must be justified by reliable independent published sources, and i shall remove every individual purported fact in it without a good reference. I intend to challenge each undocumented assertion. DGG (talk) 04:40, 7 February 2008 (UTC)