Talk:Rosewood massacre

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Contents 1 Casualty estimates? 2 Phillip Mann 3 Fair use rationale for Image:Rosewood Florida rc12409.jpg 4 Rosewood movie 5 History/encyclopedic v. journalism 6 Population numbers don't make sense

[edit] Casualty estimates?

The production notes, etc. on the DVD of the film version of these events say some survivors and/or descendants said there were between 40 and 150 casualties, a far cry from 14( six whites and 8 blacks). I don't have any more official, legitimate sources than that, but it's enough of a discrepancy (the other number mentioned was either 40 or 50, also a pretty big jump) that it seems worth looking into evaluating the claimed, unverifiable numbers. FangsFirst 04:57, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

The problem was that it was (and still is) such a rural area that the estimates of white residents in Levy County during this time may not be accurate, and many rural counties in the South kept even shabbier statistics on black residents since most didn't vote. The authority on this should be Levy County population statistics, but the word of residents and their descendants will probably disagree for many reasons. It's not clean history, but what event really is? Moni3 12:11, 5 July 2007 (UTC)Moni3

Records weren't kept because blacks couldn't vote - they had been disfranchised by FL law and constitution by the turn of the century. If other estimates have been made of casualties, they should be included with caveats.--Parkwells (talk) 17:12, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Phillip Mann

I removed the information stating " ...and a black war veteran named Phillip Mann, who planned to settle in the town". The wiki article for the movie based on this incident claims that "Mann", the character played by Ving Rhames in the film, was a fictional character. Furthermore, he seems not to be named Phillip. Furtherfurthermore, a google for "Phillip Mann" and "Rosewood" produces no relevant results. Perhaps this article needs to be looked into farther than this one discrepancy as well. 67.60.153.104 00:37, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Rosewood Florida rc12409.jpg

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BetacommandBot (talk) 13:26, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Rosewood movie

At the end of the movie the white woman that started the trouble by crying rape, was apprently confronted at the end of the massacre by her husband. He finaly realised that the whole tale had been a lie and that she had'nt been beaten by a black man..he then proceeded to beat her himself. That's how the movie ended...anyone know if this is true or not? Does anyone know what happened to Fannie afterwards? MacSas (talk) 04:48, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

I just came to this page to ask the very same thing. Does anyone know whatever happened to Fannie Taylor? And does anyone know why she told the initial lie? Thanks. (Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 17:09, 20 March 2008 (UTC))

She apparently wanted to escape responsibility for her affair, and it was easy for people to use African Americans as scapegoats.--Parkwells (talk) 17:15, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] History/encyclopedic v. journalism

The article's reliance on journalistic accounts seems to make it sound like a newspaper rather than encyclopedia article. There is little context or history. I've added material on background but will do more, and also will do editing to reduce the blow-by-blow account.--Parkwells (talk) 17:15, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi, Parkwells. We interacted during the FAC process for Birmingham campaign. I expanded this article some months ago using the Florida Board of Regents report, and for a while, tried to find what I could on it to bring it to better quality. Right now it has 1 main source, but that source is to date the most comprehensive account of what occurred in Rosewood. Problem is that all there was in 1923 were conflicting newspaper reports. It was actually widely reported all over the US in both black and white newspapers. There may be a few books on the subject that admittedly I haven't read. I'm a bit embarrassed about it since I have access to the library at the University of Florida, but other articles and my life got in the way. I would like to see this article come to a better quality, but the main obstacle to overcome will be the lack of reliable sources. --Moni3 (talk) 17:30, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi, Moni - It's always a question of having enough time, isn't it? I'll look, too. It's an important subject, and it's great that you have worked on it. --Parkwells (talk) 17:49, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

I agree with you Moni that the Regents report is the best source, especially as several historians worked on it. I think that's what we should use, rather than trying to reconcile or balance various newspaper accounts ourselves. They really provided a historic context, too, which I've used.--Parkwells (talk) 16:12, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Population numbers don't make sense

The text says there were about 25-30 families, but 700 people. That doesn't make sense - even large families usually didn't number 23 members each, which is what that would amount to. If there were 15 people/family, that would be about 450 people in 1923.--Parkwells (talk) 17:22, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Found new numbers in the 1993 report that do make sense.--Parkwells (talk) 21:40, 29 March 2008 (UTC)