Talk:Rose Garden (arena)

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Good article Rose Garden (arena) has been listed as one of the Everyday life good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can delist it, or ask for a reassessment.

Global Spectrum does not own the Rose Garden. They were contracted by the bond holders to manage it when Paul Allens Oregon Arena Corp. defaulted. Somebody ought to correct the article.

  • Yes, Global Spectrum does not own the Rose Garden. Portland Arena Managment, LLC does. However, Global Spectrum does manage the Rose Garden. Tv145033|(talk) 22:56, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Why are the dates in the section discussing the bankruptcy put in the YYYY-MM-DD form?

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[edit] For accuracy of title...

Shouldn't this article be moved to Rose Quarter Arena with a redirect from Rose Garden Arena? It seems the current scheme, the precise opposite, is backwards. --Jgilhousen 21:49, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

No. Unless I'm mistaken (and I can see the place from my window), it is the Rose Garden Arena, a part of the Rose Quarter, which also includes the Memorial Coliseum. Also, it is supposedly the busiest venue in the world; I don't know if this includes the coliseum or not. Jason McHuff 05:50, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] NBA All-Star Game

It seems that most teams get to host an All-Star Game a year or two after opening a new arena. Why hasn't the NBA All-Star Game ever come to the Rose Garden? 4.243.152.100 08:22, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

No large, good hotels for the NBA to use as HQ for the event. Also the whole state-sponsored sports gambling used to be an issue. Aboutmovies (talk) 11:06, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Someone requested a move to Rose Quarter Arena

Please go to WP:RM and set up the proper talk header. -Patstuarttalk|edits 21:14, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] POV?

"The venue would also be a great host for for either the WWE PPV Royal Rumble, Summerslam or Wrestlemania."

This should be removed or changed to be more objective and less POV. 169.199.131.165 20:59, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Done, but you're always free make such edits yourself. Katr67 21:18, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA nomination

Article is extensively expanded and thoroughly cited. Now submitting for GA approval. Hope is to achieve FA status, though need some pics for that. --EngineerScotty 19:38, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Good article nomination on hold

This article's Good Article promotion has been put on hold. During review, some issues were discovered that can be resolved without a major re-write. This is how the article, as of October 28, 2007, compares against the six good article criteria:

1. Well written?: Mostly well written and in compliance with the Manual of Style. A few minor issues persist however. To begin, shouldn't History come just after Description? Ownership and management should likewise come before Tenants and events. I'm willing to discuss the desired order though, and we can certainly compromise. Another important thing, is Rose Garden Arena the complete and official title of the venue? Considering that I only ever hear it referred to as "The Rose Garden", I'm unsure. If this is not so, then arena must be uncapitalized. The last sentence in Description's intro needs to be converted to an appropriate {{Seealso}} link. I'm assuming that the corporate names (i.e. Oregon Arena Corporation, Vulcan Sports and Entertainment, and Portland Arena Management) are redirects to this article. All the other bolding in the article should be undone per the MoS.
2. Factually accurate?: The inline referencing is almost without flaw in consideration of the GA criteria, but references 19 and 20 are just urls. They should have additional information, including (if possible) author, date of publication, and retrieval information. Also, in Opening it says "...it still is well-regarded as a facility." This begs the question: well regarded by whom? Attribution here would be good, even with the following mention of the USA Today bit.
3. Broad in coverage?: Covers all major points concisely. I'd suggest adding more information on musical acts if you're shooting for FA eventually.
4. Neutral point of view?: Gives fair and equal treatment to all significant points of view.
5. Article stability? Not the subject of any recent or on-going edit wars.
6. Images?: Image:RoseGardenArenaPortland.jpg (again taken by User:Cacophony) has no source specified.

Please address these matters soon and then leave a note here showing how they have been resolved. After 48 hours the article should be reviewed again. If these issues are not addressed within 7 days, the article may be failed without further notice. Thank you for your work so far. — VanTucky Talk 02:30, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Notes

For readability, please place any comments or questions pertaining to the hold below rather than within the body of the review. Thank you VanTucky Talk

Thanks again for a thorough review. To address the points:

1) I'm quite flexible on the ordering of the sections. If there is a MOS pertaining to how such things should be ordered, that should be followed--otherwise I'm happy with your suggestions. One issue to watch out for--if any re-ordering occurs, make sure all links still work; many refs are cited multipe times, and <ref name="foo"/> is order-dependent, unfortunately. Regarding the corporation articles; Vulcan Sports and Entertainment should redirect to Vulcan Inc.; Oregon Arena Corporation and Portland Arena Management (as entities which no longer exist) should probably redirect to Rose Garden Arena bankruptcy. I'll make sure they do. Regarding the name of the arena, the official name of the arena is "The Rose Garden" (no arena), but the name "Rose Garden Arena" is commonly used to disambiguate the arena from the International Rose Test Garden, which the phrase "rose garden" also refers to in the Portland area.

  • Redirects created
  • This article is now Rose Garden arena (lowercase a); though perhaps Rose Garden (arena) might be better. All redirects and templates pointing in have been fixed; though lots of articles still point to Rose Garden Arena. Information on the name has been provided.--EngineerScotty 17:21, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
  • One more thought on the section order. I reversed "ownership/management" and "events/tenants"

per your suggestion; though I would keep these ahead of "history" as they reflect the current state of affairs of the arena. Thoughts? --EngineerScotty 17:53, 29 October 2007 (UTC) 2) I'll fix the links and find support for the weasel-words

  • Refs which are homepages now point to appropriate articles or specific pages within a website; homepages moved to External Links
  • A link to a glowing review of the RG has been posted.
  • --EngineerScotty 17:53, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

6) Cacophony will have to address that.

I'll update this as I proceed. --EngineerScotty 16:20, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Quick note: the "ref name" syntax is not order dependant. It clearly says in the citation guidelines that you can place one of those before the full citation. I'm mostly fine with the order now present, but isn't Notable events a part of the arena's history? The events section at least should come after History or even be a subsection. VanTucky Talk 23:07, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

If that's been fixed, that's a good thing. In the past at least, you had to do <ref name="foo">whater</ref> before <ref name="foo"/>--at least that's been my experience. --EngineerScotty 23:14, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Per my concerns about putting all of the chronological history of the arena within or after the History section, I moved Notable events. Basically, all my other requests have been filled. So we can dicker about the order more if you like, but it's whichever we choose it's still a Good Article. I'll be passing it shortly. VanTucky Talk 23:38, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Peer review request

Next stop, WP:FA? I'm thinking the article is close (I'm working on getting more free pictures), and want to find out just how wrong I am.  :) --EngineerScotty 17:22, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Title: "Arena" vs "arena"

Can someone provide proof that "arena" really isn't in the name of the venue? Jason McHuff 15:13, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

  • Well, the official website of the facility (www.rosequarter.com) refers to it simply as the "Rose Garden". The side of the building says "Rose Garden", not "Rose Garden Arena" (though the sign on the side of a structure isn't an acceptable Wikipedia source...) I've located no authoritative source that identifies the place as the "Rose Garden Arena" (big A)--I've seen sources that do so (some non-local media, travel guides, and such), but such sources are generally several steps removed. --EngineerScotty 01:05, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Well, a Google search does come up with some examples of "Rose Garden arena"; especially look at Oregonian articles. Whatever the title, there's a lot of links to change if we're going to change it from "Rose Garden Arena". Jason McHuff (talk) 10:22, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Record attendance?

The Blazer game on December 21, 2007 against Denver had an attendance of 20,644. As far as I can tell, that's a record for the arena, or at least for a Blazer game. --Billdorr (talk) 13:48, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

On a related note, their ad in the Christmas day Oregonian said that night's game was sold out (and encouraged ticket holders to come). And I thought they weren't supposed to be doing that great...(e.g. no Greg Oden) --Jason McHuff (talk) 20:16, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
You need to pay attention more. They just won their 13th straight, and this was the 4th straight 20,000+ crowd at the Rose Garden. Rip City is alive once more. --Billdorr (talk) 02:21, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
If I recall they reduced the number of seats 3-4 years ago, so the capacity I think was around 22,000 or so (21,877 or something). Aboutmovies (talk) 01:21, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Renaming

Should it be noted somewhere in the article that they have considered renaming the Rose Garden to a corporate sponsor? The Chronic 23:14, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

It is noted there in a paragraph under the "Name" section. Flesh it out if you think it needs more. --Esprqii (talk) 00:01, 14 April 2008 (UTC)