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[edit] Wikipedia:Paris is in France

An article, (Wikipedia:Paris is in France), I am proud to be WP:BOLD on! Added valued wikilinks. Ronbo76 16:10, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Love this essay.! I have to write one of my own because it shows a side of me that only a few have seen. Who said life is a box of chocolates? It's not when you have a box of rocks for a brain. I know I can be pretty senseless, obtuse and denseful (is that word?). Guess so - it has a wikilink. Ronbo76 14:02, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Quality. Quality. Your wikilink goes to Forrest Gump, haha.A mcmurray 14:43, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
Absolutely. Hilarious. : )A mcmurray 14:51, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Special thanks to you!

Ronbo - Special thanks to you for your good humor and tireless efforts to fend off those who needed fending off! If I knew how to give out those barnstar things, I'd make sure you got one! (I should probably go figure it out).

FZZzzsssssst!!

Lightsaber put away until the next time! ... and seriously - thank you! NorCalHistory 01:27, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

You infering that I am the the Good Humor Man? I *hate* white uniforms. Oh wait, you mean my rapier wit! Forest Gump has nothing on me. Nada!
The Working Man's Barnstar
Thank you for all your energy, your cheerfulness, and tireless help on the California Gold Rush Main page FA experience! NorCalHistory 19:20, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Barnstar thanks

Thanks for the barnstar. Mike Dillon 06:01, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] User:Taylor364's legal claim

That user has been deleting Talk:Kate Mulgrew. Supposedly there is something private in Mulgrew's past about the daughter she gave up for adoption to whom she was reconciled (according to another user claiming to be her husband) which has not been verified. Unfortunately Mulgrew's own website and multiple reliable sources are available for just about all aspects of the adoption/reconcilation. I do not to the best of my memory believe the daughter's name has been posted on Mulgrew's article.

Prior to the privacy claim, the article had a NPOV that IMHO was positive and in accordance with (IAW) WP:BLP. Upon the privacy claim, I invited a WP:BLP member to look over the article. He made some tweaks and recommendations. In addition, he provided the alleged husband with distinct methods of contacting Wikipedia directly to advance his issue. To date, this alleged person, who was a governor candidate, has not availed himself of the means to get the info stricken.

I am an average joe. But, if there was something I did not want on Wikipedia and was given the means to have it deleted IAW WP:BLP, I would exhaust all means. Ronbo76 22:40, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Shan't anyone ever say never ever again

The Barnstar of Good Humor
Shan't anyone say you never ever had a sense of humor ever again. A mcmurray 03:42, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
Out of all of those links I laughed the most when I saw the Thanks for the Memories one, on my watchlis, after I read your message. I did, indeed, laugh out loud.A mcmurray 04:16, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
Absolutely. Classic comedy. Even the stuff he did later (which is what I remember best), only Bob Hope can could "play through" the Afghan-Soviet War in Spies Like Us. Doctor?A mcmurray 04:23, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
Yeah Luke is okay. But if I had the time I would be this guy.A mcmurray 04:27, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
Nice. I joined right up.A mcmurray 17:32, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
Hahahaha. All of the sudden I am, for some reason, reminded of Wizzo getting a pie in the face.A mcmurray 21:19, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Obi Clown Kemosabe

Obi Clown Kemosabe (each word in my nom de plume has its own wikilink). Obi Clown Kemosabe strikes again!!! Ronbo76 01:43, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] move

I have moved WP:ROFL to Wikipedia:ROFL. Clearly the article was in the wrong namespace and until the article achieves some importance, I do not think that a "WP:" redirect to it can be justified. -- RHaworth 04:01, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

I have just deleted, WP:ROTFL. Advertise your essay in the Village pump and similar places. -- RHaworth 04:04, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

This is the Village pump. Kim has already joined in with this discussion. Kim has been around a long time and can point you to other places. -- RHaworth 04:14, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, she was the first editor I told about the essay. I have been contributing to the article I sent you. I have been to the Pump and the well was dry (bad joke). Ronbo76 04:16, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Before I go to the Pump again, I'd like some editors on various pages/projects to look at it and massage it a bit. Ronbo76 04:18, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Notes of encouragement requested

It looks like our old friend BlankVerse is monitoring his talk page. Would you be kind enough to contact other members of WP:CAL and WP:SOCAL to post notes of encouragement on the talk page of BlankVerse? He's such a valuable contributor who's done a lot, and his energy and common sense are missed. Spamreporter1 16:33, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Essay

That was pretty good, and it's not just blithering nonsense (like the inside of my head), it's actually useful. Wikipedia should never have to be like a job you hate. : ) If I think of anything to add I will. In the meantime, check out my sandbox, click the links, I thought it was kind of funny. : )A mcmurray 17:29, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

And of course, no harm no foul meant toward poor Mississippi, they're just an easy target. : ) I like Mississippi.A mcmurray 17:32, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Will do. Yeah I kinda organized the project and set it up and what not, don't know why it isn't very active it has more members than it did when I started it but I can't get anyone to respond on the talk pages, there are a bunch of open questions and stuff that needs sorted out, feel free to chime in. Check out the open tasks too, some of which are dependent on the results of any discussion we might have.A mcmurray 17:57, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Excellent. It was kind of frustrating doing all the set up work and then watching people sign up but say nothing, I even welcomed most of them, I stopped when I got absolutely no reply from anyone. : (A mcmurray 18:04, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Nice. It is a welcome cookie, but its a cookie nonetheless. I needed a cookie. Thanks : )A mcmurray 18:15, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
::Slaps up cookie on user page.:: Waits for the Cookie Monster to come visit. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by A mcmurray (talk • contribs) 18:21, 22 February 2007 (UTC).
Haha. I forgot to sign. Sorry.A mcmurray 18:21, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Hey how do you get it to automatically sign unsigned posts?A mcmurray 18:22, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Edit summary

There's a pretty nasty summary in your history, you might want to ask an admin. to delete that revision for you, which would delete the summary from the history. John Reaves (talk) 04:58, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] No problem

No problem, I knew exactly what had happened: we both went to revert, and ended up knocking into each other in the process. Keep up the good vandal fighting work! Peace, delldot | talk 02:34, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Yargh, sounds like my laptop: the thing's from the mid '90's, weighs like 25 lbs and takes about half an hour just to start up. I'd be going insane if it wasn't for this desktop I'm writing from now :) delldot | talk 03:01, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
Bummer!  :/ Hope it gets well soon! delldot | talk 03:06, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] re John Wooden in Encino Califorinia

John Wooden is listed twice. Check it out.05:16, 24 February 2007 (UTC)Bluetooth954 05:16, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

== re John Wooden in Encino Califorinia - + never mind I double check

I count only one entry for Wooden. Ronbo76 05:19, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dennis Johnson

I am adding back in "reports" about Johnson's weight (rumor was a poor choice of words on my part). It was reported on Boston sports radio WEEI by both former Celtic player Chris Ford and the play-by-play announcer for the Austin Toros.

It has to be in a published reliable source, meaning not radio unless a transcript appears. Ronbo76 15:14, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
His weight may have played a factor but that is unknown and not citeable unless a Wikipedia:Reliable sources published source exists for it. I see someone else has put the reference to WP:BLP on your talkpage. Although dead, Johnson and his family still have a reasonable expectation per that reference that poorly sourced information in a bio will be removed immediately. Until someone puts in writing such as in a coroner's report or other citeable source it cannot be used. Please read the wikilinks provided. Ronbo76 15:20, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Please see this sockpuppet case: Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/WaffelWTC

Thanks for bringing that to my attention. :) Checked back once or twice, and haven't spotted any similar activity, yet. Feel free to let me know if anything comes up. – Luna Santin (talk) 00:02, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Hm... I'll comb back over my contribs/logs to see which pages I should be checking. I must've missed some. – Luna Santin (talk) 00:09, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Help

Hey Ronbo. Can you help me? I am trying to defend the Wiki against a spammer, User:JazzButcher I have reported him at AIV but they say its too complex, it seems the system is tilted in this guys favor. Basically the user in question has been inserting information about a non notable arcade into the DeKalb, Illinois article, first from an anon IP and then from a user account. I don't know what to do now. Any help would be appreciated.A mcmurray 03:00, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Never mind I found where to report it.A mcmurray 03:12, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

As to your question, WP:AIV is where I usually report vandals. It takes vandalization past the fourth warning or a blatant vandal for the admins to do something. Typically a blatant vandal is somebody on a hate mission or obvious spammer. Sometimes even the spammer needs to exceed four warnings before blockage will occur.

Warnings should be progressive. This means that Wikipedia:Assume good faith should be applied in giving warnings. However as a Recent changes patrol editior, I can now distinguish between a good faith editor (an attempt to add info and obvious vandalism. If the person types in a distinct message, i.e., screw you blah, blah, blah with a page blanking/deletion, that is not a good faith edit which should be level two warning and come from Wikipedia:Template messages/User talk namespace.

Your other tools come from the WP:AIV admin boards and the vandal headings listed on the Special:Recentchanges page. Please the header called Utilities where the Wikipedia:Requests for comment page is found. An RfC could be used to identify someone with an agenda. Be careful with it and its application as it could turn in your face. I would advise looking at how the archive (Wikipedia:Requests for comment/User conduct/Archive) has played out with other individuals. Read the RfC page carefully and fully. Then look at the archives. If you feel that an RfC is necessary, get your ducks in line quacking in harmony before you go down that road.

Thanks also for protecting my page. Ronbo76 01:15, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Spanish naming customs

You wrote:

While worded not the best, it is a custom still followed in many Spanish speaking countries depending on how traditional the family (and in particular the mom is). I disagree with removal. Antonio Banderas is just one example of many film stars that have more than one surname from their parents that recognizes the family lineage. In his case, his father's name should be Dominguez if his mom followed the tradition. Some moms now follow the American way of naming with mom's name as the second surname followed by the dad's. My mom even followed the tradition when she married. She had no middle name and kept her last name which became her middle name followed by my dad's last name. Recommend restoring the paragraph with rework which I will be glad to do. BTW, Penélope Cruz is another example. I have plenty of Mexican, Spanish, etal people who follow the traditional Iberian naming custom. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ronbo76 (talk • contribs)

I replied:

My friend, the question here is not if there are or not other countries that follow the naming customs of Spain. The question here is that the naming customs of Spain do not mean Iberian naming customs, since the Portuguese naming customs (see Portuguese names) are quite different.

The Ogre 13:00, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Visual arts-related AfDs

Here's a template to use in an AfD, when it has been listed on Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Visual arts (please do list appropriate AfDs there). I think it should go under the article details and above the nom statement, as it is a formal notice and not part of the debate. It will sign your name with date stamp automatically. Please pass on to others.

Mnemonic: List of Visual arts-related Deletions.

Template to use:

{{subst:LVD}}

Result:

Tyrenius 00:16, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hello

You around? Wikipedia:Barnstar_and_award_proposals/New_Proposals#WikiProject_California_Award --evrik (talk) 19:51, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Curiousgeorge

Hi Ronbo,

WP:RFC requires two editors to seek a compromise before a case can be opened. Can you try once again, whatever the outcome, and ask him to remove the section headings and misspellings? Thanks. Xiner (talk, email) 23:36, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

I posted a note on WP:ANI. Xiner (talk, email) 00:01, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bear Flaggers

I have to say, comparing the Texas organization of revolt and personnel involved with the Bear Flag revolt simply is no comparison...you're talking 30 or so immigrants with no respect for the Spanish culture, having left their US territories with zero assets, immigrating into a society that was sovereign and taking advantage of the Mexican's good nature and kindness, and laying claim to something that was not theirs to begin with.....laying claim to California? preposterous...no more than a drunken rabble of a gang, raising hell and causing troubble like most of the American commons of that era....and Freemont was not much better....anyway, those drunken morons got their butts kicked in the battles in Southern California....from my research, the so called Bear Flaggers were most of the US casualties and desertions...DonDeigo 19:34, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:California"

[edit] My condolences

I'm so sorry to hear that. You go ahead and do what you need to do. My thoughts are with you and those your friend's left behind. Take care. Xiner (talk, email) 03:19, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Most sorry

Most sorry Ronbo, cheer up my Wikifriend. Check these fools out. : ) A mcmurray (talk • contribs) 07:51, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Don't think it's a real project per se but it is hilarious, no? Plus the fantastic userbox!!! See my user page. As for the ghost towns I am certain there are some abandoned research station. As the scope of the GT project (right now) is only the United States, I think only U.S. related abandon stations would apply to the project, as many of them are more small towns than research stations. Of course, I would like to see articles about all of them myself. : ) Not sure how many of the GT Project users are actually active though, I posted an announcement at the community portal seeking new memeber, so we shall see.
Things will always get better, not just for the project but for you too, Ronbo. My thoughts are with you. Good friends are hard to come by and when they leave us we can only take with us the things they brought into our lives that made the world a better place for a little while. At least, there is always that. At the risk of being intrusive and stepping over my bounds I offer you the preceding.A mcmurray (talk • contribs) 22:25, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] User talk:4.156.201.14 may be User:Blarga2

Both attacked the same articles in similar manners withing minutes of each other. I believe User:Blarga2 struck first, logged out and attacked as an anonymous IP. Ronbo76 03:22, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Probably. Doesn't really matter; if they carry on they'll be blocked in both cases, and there's not a lot of point doing anything except reverting them – Qxz 03:24, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] re:Jacob moon talkpage still active

Thanks for informing me. I missed though and Gilliam deleted it while I was offline. James086Talk 05:58, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Blocking of a user

I believe you have mistaken me for the admin who did block the user in question. I am not an admin (yet!). I simply added a comment on what the user name is about, which not too many people might know. Hope this clears up everything! Arbiteroftruth 14:43, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bodie

It is certainly an impt article as far as ghost towns go, sounds a like a trip to the library may be in order.A mcmurray (talk • contribs) 22:02, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

If I can't get it at the University library here, they have Interlibrary Loan, so I will eventually be able to get my hands on it.A mcmurray (talk • contribs) 22:07, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
Indeed I will. : )A mcmurray (talk • contribs) 22:15, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Damn NewYorkBrad.....this is not over Ronbo.....this is not over.....just leave my edits to other articles alone and I will leave this page alone forever. Ok?

No problem on the page thing. Anytime. I have had limited interaction with Wikisource, let me know any cool links you find, my interests lie on my user page pretty much, via assorted project userboxes and stuff (obviously there are others too).A mcmurray (talk • contribs) 15:07, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Anti vandal patriot

Oh yeah, since you're an anti-vandal patriot, would you mind adding Normal, Illinois to your watchlist for awhile? It has been getting hit pretty hard by vandalism, especially of the non notable people addition variety, and I have been hard pressed to keep up with it. The article doesn't have too many active editors so any help would be appreciated.A mcmurray (talk • contribs) 15:10, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

LOL!! : ) Hey! Wanna do a peer review for me? Huh? Do ya? Do ya? Even if you don't, which is no big deal, here is the link: Wikipedia:Peer review/Chana School/archive1, comments can be left on that page. : )A mcmurray (talk • contribs) 15:20, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Much obliged sir.A mcmurray (talk • contribs) 15:25, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks a lot Ronbo. : ). I hope you don't mind, I copied the review you left on my talk page over to this page: Wikipedia:Peer review/Chana School/archive1, and I left some comments there. I will get working on your suggestions right away.A mcmurray (talk • contribs) 07:18, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
It appears whoever is vandalizing Normal, Illinois is doing it from multiple IPs, perhaps some kind of dynamic one from a school, not sure how to approach this. Perhaps an anti-viral patriarch, errr...Ronbo, could step in.A mcmurray 17:08, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Help with SFBA Jumpaclass

Hi. i noticed you are productive in article review and are also in the SFBA project. Im finding the "Jumpaclass" activity a very worthwhile module within the project. Presently we are in need of members who can help out by reviewing the improved articles. I hope you can visit Wikipedia:WikiProject San Francisco Bay Area/Jumpaclass and assist with reviews of one or more of these articles. thanks and best regards. Anlace 02:26, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Just so you know

Now I am IvoShandor, no longer am I who I was, just follow the link and you'll figure it out. Please delete this message as soon as you do. ThanksIvoShandor 06:00, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

I been around, dancing with the devil in the pale moonlight. Nice job on the link, the school is rather prominent. Pan to the left and you can find the Ogle County Courthouse and the downtown Oregon Commercial Historic District, as well as the Oregon Public Library. All are listed on the National Register of Historic Places. It's a pretty neat little city.IvoShandor 06:12, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
North of the crosshairs, look to the left of left field in the softball diamond, its the little L-shaped building there, between the trees.IvoShandor 06:22, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Fabulous! Tricky spot, hey?IvoShandor 06:31, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Looked good to me anyway, fancy tools or no, it adds significantly to the article. Thanks.IvoShandor 06:37, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Yep, anyone can vote. : ) IvoShandor 15:01, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Great. I will have more input on Wikipedia:Peer review/Chana School/archive1. Ronbo76 15:12, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Nice. I made a few changes, did a copy edit, probably needs more going over as my brain fills in the holes sometimes.IvoShandor 15:14, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks again for all your help, it was rated B, and will go GAC when I complete some tasks. In addition I was wondering if you might have the time and go through Rock Springs Massacre, just to add {{fact}} tags to anything you think needs cited. I wrote this one early in my wiki career and didn't really know much about reference styles and such. So I didn't really cite much, any help pointing out what needs citation would be of immense help because I tend to be a bit "cite happy." IvoShandor 06:58, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
Thank ya sir. IvoShandor 13:26, 12 March 2007 (UTC)


Sorry been busy trying to save a GA nom, will look this morn. IvoShandor 09:44, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Erasing one's own talk page

Hi Ronbo76,

I stumbled across User talk:76.169.88.247, and noticed your warning there. Just so you know, users are allowed to erase messages on their own talk pages, and it is not considered vandalism.[1]. Take care, Kla'quot 08:17, 8 March 2007 (UTC)


[edit] WP:RADIO tagging

Articles that are tagged or that have had their fields changed show up on Wikipedia:WikiProject_Radio/Assessment; however, these do not appear there immediately. The only way, as far as I know, to see changes immediately is to view someone's contribution list. --PhantomS 16:57, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Welcome

Hi, Ronbo76, and welcome to WikiProject
San Francisco Bay Area!

We are a growing community of Wikipedia editors dedicated to identifying, categorizing, and improving articles relevant to the Bay Area. Here are some points that may be helpful:

  • Our main aim is to help improve Bay Area-related articles, so if people ask for help with an article, please try your hardest to help them if you are able.
  • Most important discussions take place on the project's main discussion page. It is highly recommended that you watchlist it.
  • The project has several ongoing and developing activities, such as article quality assessment, which you are welcome to participate.
  • Our system for improving lower-quality articles is Jumpaclass. If you'll be editing stub, start, or B-class articles, consider using Jumpaclass to track your progress.
  • If you have another language besides English, please consider adding yourself to our translation section, to help us improve our foreign Bay Area topics.

If you have any questions, feel free to ask on the talk page, and we will be happy to help you.

Again, welcome! We hope you enjoy working on this project.

Peter G Werner 01:28, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ronbo76 sandbox

Thank you for experimenting with Wikipedia. Your test worked, and it has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any other tests you may want to do. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia.

I have assumed that it was not your intention to turn this test page into an article, and have marked it for deletion.--Anthony.bradbury 15:17, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I forgot to put the diagonal slash into the title to create a personal sandbox. Joke's on me as I usually nominate articles like this for deletion. I feel vindicated!!! Ronbo76 15:21, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
This is a great one! My badge of honor!!! I wonder where I could keep it? Ronbo76 23:25, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] My RfA

The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
Hi Ronbo76. This past week, you did for me what a real friend would. For that, you well deserved a barnstar. I couldn't have gotten here without you. Xiner (talk, email) 00:41, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, but my one small vote is a small measure of your contributions to Wikipedia and the belief others have now entrusted to you as an admin. Keep their faith, do well and remember the cool editor is Wikipedia's best friend. Ronbo76 17:11, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] David Berlinski

Why did you RV this article? Did you read it or were you just assuming it was vandalism because of Sukh17 RV and comment? Thanks--209.137.175.59 03:53, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

I concur with the revision. You deleted content with citations. Ronbo76 03:55, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

I asked if you read it before and after. I don't care if it had citations. If it didn't pertain to the article it doesn't have any business in there. --209.137.175.59 03:57, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

READ THIS - I concur! Ronbo76 03:58, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Thanks for you support Ronbo76. I realized that the user also exceeded the limit, but hopefully the user is understanding policies and will refrain from doing this in the future. --Sukh17 T • C • E 04:26, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
You're welcome. I believe the anon IP's banner attached to a Christian college is its reason for deleting what it calls pseudoscience. Ronbo76 04:29, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
In a nutshell, this anon IP's bias is contra intelligent design. As a human, I may object to a lot of things but in all my edits I preserve the NPOV and put my beliefs on the shelf. It needs to learn to do the same to stay as an editor. Ronbo76 04:36, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] re Derek Silva

I blocked the user instead. It's only the one user so that should cover it. Herostratus 04:28, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Please remember WP:CIVIL in your edit summaries

Reference edit summary to Veronica Castro; please tone it down. Ronbo76 23:43, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

I like to make jokes, see Snakes on a Plane. I see nothing wrong with an edit summary that adequately explains my position, and explains it with humour. Philip Gronowski Contribs 04:20, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
You call this edit summary humor? Ronbo76 06:25, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Yep, you need to see Snakes on a Plane. Very funny movie, very popular phrase. [2] Philip Gronowski Contribs 15:43, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
No, I am asking you to acknowledge what you did on one of my Watchpages. Ronbo76 15:52, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Acknowledge that I made a joke? I made a joke in an edit summary. If you really have a huge problem with this, file a report somewhere. Philip Gronowski Contribs 15:59, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

I remember a {{uw-joke1}} template. I will say that showing frustration at spam, which is what Philip is doing, only encourages them. 151.202.74.135 16:12, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Concur. It is not what I would expect from this user (PG) who wants to be an administrator. Ronbo76 16:23, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
To be fair, your initial message is also a bit harsh there. In any case, PG needs to be told in a friendly way that this kind of edit summaries, along with his reaction to the criticism, will return to haunt him if he runs for adminship. 151.202.74.135 16:26, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
No, I carefully considered my words. It is one thing to be frustrated by the spammer and call them a name. But to refer to an article concerning an international female star by the same name crosses the line. A recent attack to my userpage had one user ask that I contact an administrator to erase the comments/summary there. I chose not to because I considered a badge of honor. In PG's case, I almost did refer it to a board but chose to contact this user only after walking away from the computer to calm myself down and carefully consider the choice of words.
In this instance, when I use certain words like please, next to civil manners are what every Wikipedian should strive to. The fact that he continues to not take ownership is a troubling matter along with his rebuke calling for a report. Ronbo76 16:40, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Oops, I missed the second part of his comment. Yeah, he crossed the line there. 151.202.74.135 16:44, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Even now, I remember the words of a great coach, Jim_Valvano#Death along with his quotes. Great people shape our lives - we never know how words will affect others. Ronbo76 16:51, 15 March 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Kit Carson changes on March 14

Hi Ronbo 76. There was a change in the wording on the Kit Carson article by 207.172.135.21 on March 14. When I read them, they seemed to improve the article, I have no objections to keeping them. I noticed your reversion, and appreceiate your attention to the article, and don't want to upset you either. Do you mind if I change the wording back to what 207.172.135.21 wrote? Richiar 01:36, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

There was a POV push along with misspellings as well as an unsourced quote. If you wish to do a copyedit minus the quote and POV push, you're welcome. Ronbo76 01:40, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Here is the main part I objected to:

The fur industry was undermined by twin blows of changing fashion, as demand for silk hats replacing the demand for beaver fur, and the devastation of the beaver population through over-hunting. As a result, many trappers found themselves in search of a livelihood. Carson remembered, "Beaver was getting scarce, it became necessary to try our hand at something else". Ronbo76 01:41, 16 March 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Michael Shelfer COI by RHaworth

Hi Ronbo 76. First of all let me say Thank You for the edit to the article that I posted regarding my son, Michael Shelfer (18:35, 16 March 2007 Ronbo76 (Talk | contribs) (Copyedit, wikilinks, references formatted, categories added). I am a neophyte at using Wikipedia as you can probably tell.

  • Since first posting the article, it has received attack after attack from one, RHaworth, his latest being, 20:15, 16 March 2007 RHaworth (Talk | contribs) ({{COI}} written by Michael's dad). The information that I posted about Michael seems unbiased and well sourced as the biography of a professionally published American manga artist. Though I am Michael's father, I don't see how the information that I posted and which you edited represents a COI. Is there a successful way to resolve the issue?

Fashelfer —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.30.206.31 (talk • contribs)

[edit] Re: Michael Shelfer and WP:COI

I will tell you straight up as another user: edits by family to an article no matter how well intended do not sit well with the Wikipedian community. Please follow the link in WP:COI above to see what it says. In addition, I will draw your attention to Wikipedia:Autobiography. Please read because I too now feel a Conflict of Interest exists. I would advise not to perform any more edits to this article.

After I post here, I will revert to the last page posted by the user referenced on my user talkpage. Ronbo76 21:01, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi Ronbo76

Thank you for your comments. In response, I would like to clarify a few things about the subject article and the reason why it was submitted.

  • I've received so much flack after posting the article referring to Michael Shelfer that I'm really considering never signing into Wikipedia again. Some members seem to think that the article is a conflict of interests (COI), un-noteworthy, or poorly sourced. I'm a new user of Wikipedia and I'm not here to make enemies or to offend anyone. I also admit that I don't have a handle on all the rules yet. I'm also Michael Shelfer's father and, with out question, very proud to be so. However, I've attempted to edit, reword or remove anything that could legitimately be considered of questionable content, or of ulterior or promotional motive. Michael Shelfer, the American manga artist, is already listed in the content of previously existing Wikipedia articles which no one seems to have had issue with. The information currently contained in the article Michael Shelfer is intended to be entirely consistent with and supplemental to information contained in the referenced and sourced Wikipedia articles. I understand that Wikipedia isn't an ad page. That was never the objective of the article on Michael Shelfer in the first place. The article was purely intended to inform and educate the public about a notable individual who already has a respectable audience or, as the industry calls it, "fan base". One of the best ways to achieve that seemed to be in posting his biography, information regarding his artistic career to date and some applicable reference and source links on Wikipedia. In reading the posted article on Michael Shelfer, his notability should be evident. In questioning Michael’s notability, the user, RHaworth, further asserts COI because I happen to be his father. As long as the article isn’t biased in a promotional way and doesn’t contain information which can’t be referenced to publicly available, professional sources, why should the fact that I’m his father be and issue? I'm a retired geologist with many, many hobbies and much better things to do than defend ridiculous assertions of COI made by individuals who haven't a clue about what motives I do or do not have. As a retired professional, academic and author of many professional scientific papers, I’ve never attempted to use my association with another to promote ideas or information or to otherwise operate in any manor which could be considered a conflict of interest. My personal and professional ethics would never allow me to be engaged in such activities. The information regarding Michael Shelfer which I placed on Wikipedia can be confirmed by any one who has an interest in doing so. The article can be edited by anyone having the desire and initiative to edit it. Instead of attempting to discredit the article, why not allow Wikipedia contributors the opportunity to edit the information as necessary and make it available for all interested parties to have access to. After all, isn't that the reason and premise for Wikipedia's existence? Instead of the negative responses that the article's received thus far, aren't there any Wikipedia contributors who could offer some constructive criticism in helping to edit the article’s information making it more and more suitably informative and available for the general public's use? The reason that I blanked the page (and was admonished for doing so by Bsroiaadn) was partially because of one individual's constant negative attacks on the merit, content and appropriateness of the article; but primarily because of the lack of constructive input by most of those who made comments or changes. In blanking the article, my intention was to terminate the article and resolve the issues that have been voiced thus far, once and for all. I don't need this and I'm quiet sure that Michael Shelfer doesn’t either; he's currently as busy as he can be at work on "Dead Already" Volume 2 plus a brand new graphic novel series for TOKYOPOP. If this is how Wikipedia members welcome new contributors, then I don't believe I need to be involved with making any new contributions, edits or further use of Wikipedia information in the future. If there's anyone associated with Wikipedia management, editorial staff or who's a general contributor who cares to evaluate the situation and make a comment I'll be happy to read their point of view.

(Fashelfer 00:48, 17 March 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Advice from other user's talkpage

You really need to read and understand WP:COI#Close relationships. Most Wikipedians, as per the opening WP:COI paragragh, have a strong aversion to seeing articles created or editted by either the subject matter, family or friends. No offense, but that is just the way Wikipedia is. I recommend you please do not edit an article about your son because then it would become what some may perceive as a Wikipedia:Autobiography and a conflict of interest which affects the article's neutral point of view. Once another editor feels that those lines have been crossed, you and the article become subject to Wikipedia policy.
If you find errors in the article, please request a change on the article talkpage or file a report as per its talkpage at Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard.
The very last thing you should do is what you have done:
  • You over-rode or reverted the change I told I was going to make. - Being accused of a COI and reverting another editor, no matter how good your intentions, will mostly draw you a warning.
  • Blanking or erasing the page. - This is typically the reaction of an editor who is asking for someone to nominate the article for deletion.
  • You have continued to take down a maintenance tag/banner that you should do because you are considered in violation of WP:COI.
As an editor, who reviews recent changes/pages, your edits caught my attention. I tried to correct the article as best I could but your continued edits will bring you and the article more administrative attention.
The best thing I can tell you is that you have to have a thick skin to survive on Wikipedia. If you do not like its policies and go contra them, you will not like it here and will find life miserable. I sincerely suggest you read all the applicable blue wikilinks I have provided you and ask that you understand this is not meant negatively towards you or your son. That is easy for me to say because I am not at the brunt of your perceived spear.
I also need to inform you that I will restore the maintenance banner in two minutes after I finish this message. PLEASE DO REMOVE THE BANNER or CONTINUE EDITTING your son's article. Use the talkpage to request changes. If that fails, file a report with the WP:BLP noticeboard. Ronbo76 01:13, 17 March 2007 (UTC)


To Ronbo76, Bsroiaadn and RHaworth:

Thank you for your comments. I appreciate your willingness to educate me to the policies of Wikipedia. Had I had prior knowledge of the policies, I would not have posted the article to begin with. Now, I understand. Historically, I've experienced hostile attacks against a website on the Internet and also virus attacks against my own personal computer. Anti-virus software has cost me plenty over the years. When RHaworth redirected the link, applied the COI tag and made his comments, I reacted defensively because I perceived it to be a personal and hostile attack against the posting. If I own Mr. RHaworth an apology, then of course, I apologize. I would have preferred Mr. RHaworth to have had the courtesy to have sent me a brief note explaining the reason for his actions. At least that would have been the more professional way to have conducted his edit. In the future if the article remains on Wikipedia, I'll take no further action with respect to editing or changing the article in any way. If the managing editors of Wikipedia feel the article is in violation of Wikipedia convention and its continued existence on Wikipedia has no merit, then they should remove it; the sooner, the better. I would prefer its removal to having it continue to exist with the COI moniker on it. Once again, thank you for your willingness to educate me and the time it took you to do it. (FAShelfer 18:48, 17 March 2007 (UTC))

Thanks for your message. You have seem to have picked up on the learning curve which sometimes throws new users for a loop because they refuse to acknowledge personal attachment to an article.
Sometimes an editor does not have the time to educate a new reader we depend upon new users to read the messages left on their talkpages and to read the wikilinked policy that appears in blue. It is kind of like the adage about leading a horse to water. Quite honestly, yesterday was not a good day for me in terms of a fever but I muddled through and tried to help you. I trust you will carefully consider all the words I sent your way.
In addition, I did contact the other RC Patrol editor and interceded on your behalf to get the warning reduced from a Level Three which is one warning away from getting blocked. He read, agreed and reduced his warning. Bsroiaadn did not have to have to do that and was gracious in leniency towards you. I also hope you will consider that.
I do not know what will happen to the article. My advice to you remains the same: use its talkpage or the WP:BLP board to get changes you feel need implementation. Good luck, Ronbo76 19:59, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Legal Threat warning at User talk:Fu007dan

Hi, the legal threat warning you placed there unfortunately doesn't go that high. Legal3 is the highest warning there is right now. WP:UTM has a nice table of warnings to place in users' talk pages. Thanks for your time! UnfriendlyFire 06:25, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I noticed that. I had L3 open and changed the 3 to a 4. Unfortunately, I cannot edit the page after the block. Ronbo76 06:26, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
Ok, thanks. I thought it would be best to let you know here rather than edit your edit. I wasn't sure which warning level you were looking for. Cheers, UnfriendlyFire 06:35, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
I tried but the window comes up empty. I have never tried to edit a page blocked by an admin before. If you can edit it to a Level Three (the highest legal level available), please do! Ronbo76 06:37, 17 March 2007 (UTC)